Never Surrender

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  1. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    This is what concerns me about the whole "Keeping the government honest" thing. WHEN would it be a time to bring out the guns? Who would you be able to rely on and who should you be shooting at?
     
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    It seems that a lot of people don't want to disarm America just the average American citizen.

    But if I stand with a gun (if I were a criminal).. and you stand unarmed with the law... who will prevail? Who prevailed in China.. the one with the tanks or the unarmed?

    We can usually get a Pizza delivered before we can get the police.
     
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    Sara Brady

    “Our main agenda is to have ALL guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed.”

    Diane Feinstein


    "Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe."
     
  4. Regular Joe

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    That confusion would only make it more devastating, because a whole bunch of people would die from "friendly" fire. I suppose it would go much like the first year or two of the Syrian civil war though.
    I'm not aligned with my local disaster preppers because I doubt that we could do each-other much good. I have a pretty good idea of what's involved, and I think mobility would be the biggest problem for anyone who isn't able to fly. There was a time, up until maybe 4 or 5 years ago when I would have been more interested in joining "the resistance", but after long and hard thought, I simply don't want to live in a world where I have to kill on a regular basis, and live in a war zone.
     
  5. Bowerbird

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    The guy facing the tanks caused change in his country, His image went around the world as a powerful symbol. It did not topple governments or change the rule in China but is was a force for change. As was Gandhi. Gandhi went up against the powerful and well armed British Empire - and won!!

    But most rationalists realise there are too many guns in the USA to disarm it's citizens - but that does not mean there should be NO restrictions of who where and when
     
  6. Bowerbird

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    Hmmmmm - appears to be bogus

    http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcbogus_brady.html
    Got anything more valid than what someone MIGHT have said to someone else on a dark noisy street corner at night?

    - - - Updated - - -

    Thank-you for an honest and thoughtful reply. Neither do I. I have seen and cared for se ere gunshot wounds and my nightmare is to live in a world where we have to deal with this with no resources
     
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    Many years after they ran that guy over, China is still not a democracy. Your individual respect is meaningless.
     
  8. Defender of Freedom

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    Who said we would go to battle against a drone with a rifle, who said a stupid tactic like that would be our plan? War isn't all about the tools, it is about methods as well.
     
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    Took over 70 years for the Soviet Union to fall, China is still tyrannical, all in all, 150 million dead from genocide, mostly starvation. It is not cowardice, it is rationality. We will not reach for the gun at the first sign of tyranny, but when they come for the firearm, who knows what will happen. I pray that day will never come, but being prepared for anything and everything is not a bad idea.
     
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    The revolutionary war began when the British attempted to disarm the colonist at Lexington and Concord in 1775. We will have protested and exhausted all other options before then, and that would be the final option. War is chaos, I would hope that no one would be shot at.
     
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    it was not Feinstein, it was Sara Brady...so she's bogus.....

    "Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed."
    Sara Brady
    Chairman, Handgun Control Inc, to Senator Howard Metzenbaum
    The National Educator, January 1994, Page 3.
     
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    When the people get cold, hungry and have no source for sustainment seems to be the right time if history is the source.

    I do believe we are for the most part fat, lazy and somewhat spoiled as a Nation. No true hardship.





     
  13. Regular Joe

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    We've covered the part about a revolution and all that, but what about the parts in the original link that deal with home invasions and the like? The bad guys tell the victims that if they'll just surrender and be quiet, they'll be unharmed. Then they're killed.
    How prepared are you at home to deal with bad guys, and how important do you think it is?
    Here's a case that most of us heard about. I recently read that the old feller will not be charged. How do our foreign folks feel about this?
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/01/26/prosecutors-wont-charge-80-year-old-man-in-killing-burglar-who-claimed-was/?intcmp=ob_article_footer_text&intcmp=obinsite
     
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    Do you think the military defunds one missile program without funding another? Talk about small minded. Nor did you describe how your rifle protects you from missiles and drones.
     
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    Actually, the British mission was to destroy the supplies of the rebel militia, not the colonists as a group. This is a common mission. It's the basic idea behind submarine warfare and strategic bombing. I suppose if you look at it the right way we were attempting to disarm the Germans when we bombed their cities. If you don't understand logistics. Maybe.

    The idea that the gun owners of the US could stand up to their military and win is ludicrous. They have no logistical support, no discipline, no doctrine, no communications, no overall strategy, no unified chain of command even if they had the forgoing, and are in a general state of lesser fitness than their military. counterparts.
     
  16. Regular Joe

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    My statements put the onus on YOU to understand what developments have led to in the armament of drones, how they're targeted, and at whom.
    I certainly DID make it perfectly clear what would be done about missiles and drones. Try, even if it's hard, to keep up.
     
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    You are simply refusing to understand the real loyalties of our military personnel. They are sworn to uphold the Constitution, and defend it from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Please expand your awareness to realize that MOST of our service members understand their oath.
     
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    Not really.

    This is a misstatement at the very least. You made no such statement about any plan of action.
     
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    I think you are badly mistaken. The career military's loyalties are to each other and upward. I speak as one who was in.
     
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    So do I. Everyone came from somewhere. Are you telling me that once someone becomes military, their entire loyalty base changes from home, family and friends, to their military buddies and bosses? Hoo boy.
    I reiterate that it most certainly is upon you to understand the whole drone thing. I can't understand it for you.
    Further, I explained, in painstaking detail, that a majority of the American Citizens who produce and operate all of the military junk will cease to do so, once it's aimed at their own home, family and friends. Why can't you keep up?
     
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    Progression to an authoritarian US will likely be gradual (say 70-90 years). Laws for gun control will gradually gain support due to gun events such as school shootings being constantly reported through the media. These small events (a few people killed and injured, nothing too terrible) build to a big theme of "guns are evil omg!!" over a generation. Authoritarians in the government are also pretty tentative not to overstep boundaries in passing anti-gun laws, they know there's countless people against it and are aware if they awaken the beast of resistance it's over for them.

    With gradualism, the government drags on events where you have to be downright committed to make sure Congress doesn't pull anything sneaky, and a good portion of the American populace is too busy/bored with Congress to care. They may start with banning high capacity magazines, I don't know but it'll be slow. And even in the event these laws are passed, people tend to ignore these signs of gradual collapse to tyranny for "happier" things. You also have the national media diverting attention to say the recent New England snowpocalypse or deflategate or whatever the hell.
     
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    Courage does not depend upon being armed. Effectiveness, however, does.

    And where is that brave man who stood before the tanks? How much more effective he would have been had he the means to do more than just make a good photo op.



    I don't know who you mean by "we", but in the US the gun ban organizations want to disarm America.
     
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    Good post. Incrementalism has been the "progressives" approach for 100 years, and it has worked, but the reason it works is that it attacks the edges where it wont attract too much resistance or attention, with occasional big bites when a true crisis/opportunity presents itself. Eventually all the "low hanging fruit" has been stolen, the easy targets have been taken, and the only things left to attack are items important to the daily life of the middle class. That's where we are now - the "progressives" are attacking the middle class and people can no longer turn their attention to "happier things".
     
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    Its amazing how many people immediately think its all hopeless because the govt has M-1 tanks, drones, stealth fighters, and missiles - even though staring them in the face is 13 years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan in which a bunch of third world illiterates with no armor, no air force, no navy, no formal military, beat the big bad super power using whatever they could get their hands on.
     
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    It's amazing that people think our wars in the middle east would be a situiation similar to the government trying to put down an existential revolt.
     

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