New Atheist Billboard in San Diego Urges 'Personal Relationship With Reality'

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  1. happy fun dude

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    Without that billboard we would all be dead!
     
  2. doombug

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    So now atheists want to define what reality is?
     
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    Atheist religiosity is no less annoying than the bible thumpers who pound on your door on Saturday morning.
     
  4. happy fun dude

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    Particularly, our problems are caused by human nature.. Greed, lust for power, hate, xenophobia etc.. They are all engrained into our nature. We evolved with them.. Even humans prior to religion had them.. Even the different other homo species from before us are.. Even today's chimpanzees who are just like us almost.. They have no religion.. But they fight wars over territory all the same.

    Even the crusades.. People's tantamount example of religion fuelled bloodshed.. Those were wars over territory and resources.. As are all the wars.. Leaders may use religion unjustly in order to fuel up their followers and inspire killing, but they can use any variety of tools to do this, suchas a draft, propaganda, fear tactics etc...

    People want power.. Some will use religion to get it.. That's not thanks to religion.. Their lust for power and their drive to have it were already there..

    What do these bigots think? That if there were no religion, then everyone across the world of all different cultures would all be holding hands under the rainbow and singing?

    HATE is built into our nature, as is evidenced by this very thread and all the bigots who pop into it in order to spread their own hatred for people that believe something different then they do.
     
  5. Archie Goodwin

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    No. Merely differntiating what is real and that which is merely imagined. Noodle on that; you might just have an epiphany bordering on biblical.
     
  6. Archie Goodwin

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    Cool. I know religion is a myth; all of them. And I believe that while we cannot disprove a god or god-like beings might exist, their existence is so improbable as to border on the impossible.
     
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    So you are basically saying that atheists want people to believe in reality as they define it. Too late, Scientologist have already gotten all the people who would fall for that.
     
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    The atheists have every right to publicize their views. What I don't like is groups trying to convert me to their particular view whether it is a Christian denomination, Muslims, or atheiusts.

    Evangelism, in its broad definition, has caused enormous tragedy throughout history.
     
  9. happy fun dude

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    You are actually correct to a point.. The knowledge of science is very systematic and theories are regarded as a near certainty as they have been tested and verified with evidence.. A lot of people mix up the concepts of a scientific theory and a scientific hypothesis.

    Scientific knowledge breaks down when it comes to, as DonGlock26 pointed out, the origins of the singularity... At this point all that remain are untestable hypotheses.. And if you actually read into some ideas of different physicists and scientists on the matter, you will find the broadest range of imaginative speculation, just as fanciful if not more fanciful then the idea of a deity, along with of course, belief in a deity in some cases.

    Ultimately EVERYONE, from the smartest scientists to the stupidest drunk, from the most devoutly religious to the most die hard atheist, are in the SAME BOAT when it comes to the question of where did the universe come from and why are we here.

    Nobody's belief on that topic is any more valid and justified than anyone else's.
     
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    Pathetic strawman.
    Did Stalin do what he did becasue he was an atheist, or for that matter prove Stalin WAS an atheist.
     
  11. Archie Goodwin

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    No. Science does not break down when there are things that are as yet unknown. In fact, that's the driving force in science advancing.
     
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    Not nearly as transparent or failing as all religions.
     
  13. happy fun dude

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    lol.. They're lying.. Don't believe everything you hear on the news! We don't need hate.. I encourage everyone, religious and atheist alike, to not be hatin'.

    Like I said, it's in our nature, and it's a tough one to overcome. But we should...

    Someone should make a billboard, to follow this billboard on that same road, to say, "Don't be hatin'!!"
     
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    :lol:

    Well, someday, I and quite a number of serious scientists would LOVE to see someone demonstrate a "reality" that responds differently to THEIR definition of "reality".
     
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    Yeah, I guess Pol Pot and Mao are considered great historical successes........derp!
     
  16. Archie Goodwin

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    No. Science does not break down when there are things that are as yet unknown. In fact, that's the driving force in science advancing.
     
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    Really? You are a Scientologist? Say hello to Tom Cruise for me.

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    Really? You are a Scientologist? Say hello to Tom Cruise for me.
     
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    Left field much?
     
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    Really? So you are saying there is no such thing a singularity? Quick call Stephen Hawking!

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    Really? So you are saying there is no such thing a singularity? Quick call Stephen Hawking!

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    Nope, right down the center! LOL!
     
  20. happy fun dude

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    It's an unknown right now.. There are, to date, no testable hypotheses.. That means there's nothing.. There are hypotheses, but not testable ones, so in the world of science, they are useless.

    So at this point, you can't assert superiority, or inferiority, in ANY particular belief on the topic.

    Maybe it will be different in the future.. Maybe not. Maybe humans will be extinct before anybody finds out.. Who knows. But right now, there's nothing.
     
  21. Archie Goodwin

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    No; not even close. In fact, I'm curious what gave you that impression. Mind sharing?
     
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    You must not know what a strawman is.
     
  23. happy fun dude

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    You believe.. Brilliant!!!! Good for you!! I have no hatred towards you for this belief, no reason to disrespect you, no reason to ridicule you, no way to disprove you, and no reason whatsoever to try to change this belief.

    Atheism is a perfectly logical belief system and I understand that.

    I'm not trying to say you'd do those things to other, just trying to demonstrate the attitude I feel we all need to have.
     
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    Nah, I'm just reading your post and seeing the "reality"....LOL!
     
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    Everything you said about religion, such as, "we're here" can be equally said for non-creationism beliefs. Go figure, since you can no more prove your point of view than I can prove mine. It is a matter of choice based on one's own life's experiences. None of that suggests your opinions are any better than mine.
     

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