New German Battle Ship capable to fire projectiles into space

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  1. LangleyMan

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    German navy...

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    Can you explain the Hoefle Telegram? That is a smoking gun isn't it. Also, bodies could also be disposed of in large numbers by lighting giant funeral pyres right? Also, why wouldn't Hitler carry out the extermination of his enemies? I find it hard to believe that he would not take out his frustrations after 1941 on the Jews and others who he blamed for all of the world's problems don't you?
     
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    I'm not so sure. I think if it came down to it the U.S would have to back down. China has its own rendezvous with destiny and wouldn't blink in the event of thermonuclear war and would try to WIN. Contrary to popular belief you CAN WIN a thermonuclear war. I would never want to play the game, the only folks who would might be the Chinese and the Western bankers and corporations trying to save their foreign assets. Churchill might come back from the dead to play that game! Lol. Go read a little on Kahn's book "On Thermonuclear War".
     
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    Yes and no. The last physician to examine Hitler said he was quite normal and was certainly "nicht verruckt" (not crazy). He was hoping to torpedo all American ships helping England with supplies then knocking out England after the UssR. That was a pretty big blunder.
     
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    Wasn't that last physician also the one who was doping Hitler with amphetamines?
     
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    My understanding was that the Germans had Locomotive makers build their tanks, while we had Henry Ford build ours. This may account for the fact that American tanks were called "Ronsons", after the lighter, but also frequently took out Tigers by a maneuver where 10 tanks trapped one
     
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    Just to add to what Badaboom already posted. I'm sure you meant Tiger II, King Tiger, or Tiger Royal. It used the same engine as the Tiger I so it was under powered and the power train was subject to breakdown. Transverse was slow, but on the open plains it was hard to beat if not flanked. On the western front that hardly ever happened, their advantages were hindered in forests and cities. The Panther was the direct result of studying the T-34 and designing a tank to counter it. Germany never could have competed with the industrial output of the US or USSR. It didn't help that they had a confusing array of different vehicles and guns. Speer tried to reduce the number of different shells they had to make, just in 75mm I think they had 3 or 4 types. They didn't have the luxury to stop production and retool so they couldn't for example convert Pz IV production over to Panther. Having their production centers bombed regularly only added to their inability to make larger numbers of AFV.
     
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    Sherman's were called Ronsons by the German's for the the way they often caught fire after getting hit. After the ammo location was changed Shermans didn't have that problem near as much. The US often depended on Firefly's to knock out the heavy armor, or artillery.
     
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    If you would like to discuss the Holocaust calmly & with civility, I would be happy to do so at the appropriate thread:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/

    The Hoefle Telegram is of questionable authenticity but still discusses only deportations, transfers and the movement of people. Nowhere does it call for systematic mass murder of anyone.

    In Stalin's and other far more murderous regimes there is a trail of clear and specific written execution orders however there are no written orders from Hitler calling for the mass murder of anyone.



    “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190
     
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    Yours is about the fifth different definition of "Holocaust denier" that I've read. Until you and the remaining few members of the holocaustian cult can agree on the definition of "Holocaust denier", the term is simply a vague and meaningless epithet favored by clueless rubes to slander others.

    This thread is about a modern German battleship.

    If you would like to discuss the Holocaust calmly & with civility, we can do so at the appropriate thread:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/

    Or:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...lims-hate-jews.566537/page-28#post-1071496501
     
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    No it is not because there are no battleships in service anywhere in the world. And certainly no German ones.
     
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    still lost
     
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    The world war was started by the UK and France.

    Nice strawman.
     
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    So did the Soviets. Did England and France declare war on them? Nope. Quite the opposite, in fact. England and France ALLIED with the Stalinist criminals, ensuring that the Bolshevik cancer would not only survive, but spread across half of Europe.
     
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    True. But this in no way excuses the German aggression against Poland.
     
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    Different doctrine. You don't fight tanks with tanks, it's a waste of ressources. An anti-tank gun or a rocket cost a fraction of the price and does the same job.
     
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    Absolutely correct. That was American World War Two tank doctrine. Though I think when the 1950s rolled around and you got the M47/M48 series of tanks the U.S. Army finally decided that American tanks would indeed be expected to fight other nations main battle tanks.
     
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    Truth is seldom welcomed.
    The truth is always immensely different from the victor’s war propaganda.
    World War II was Churchill’s War, not Hitler’s war.
    Hitler and Nationalist Socialist Germany are the most demonized entities in history.

    World War II was initiated by the British and French declaration of war on Germany, not by a surprise blitzkrieg from Germany.

    In Britain, Churchill was out of power. He figured a war would put him back in power.

    In contrast to the British aristocrat, Hitler was a man of the people. He acted for the German people.
    The Versailles Treaty had dismembered Germany. Parts of Germany were confiscated and given to France, Belgium, Denmark, Poland, and Czechoslovakia.
    As Germany had not actually lost the war, being the occupiers of foreign territory when Germany agreed to a deceptive armistice, the loss of approximately 7 million German people to Poland and Czechoslovakia, where Germans were abused, was not considered a fair outcome.

    Hitler’s program was to put Germany back together again. He succeeded without war until it came to Poland. Hitler’s demands were fair and realistic, but Churchill, financed by the Focus Group with Jewish money, put such pressure on British prime minister Chamberlain that Chamberlain intervened in the Polish-German negotiations and issued a British guarantee to the Polish military dictatorship should Poland refuse to release German territory and populations.

    The British had no way of making good on the guarantee, but the Polish military dictatorship lacked the intelligence to realize that. Consequently, the Polish Dictatorship refused Germany’s request.

    From this mistake of Chamberlain and the stupid Polish dictatorship, came the Ribbentrop/Molotov agreement that Germany and the Soviet Union would split Poland between themselves. When Hitler attacked Poland, Britain and the hapless French declared war on Germany because of the unenforceable British guarantee. But the British and French were careful not to declare war on the Soviet Union for occupying the eastern half of Poland.

    Thus Britain was responsible for World War II, first by stupidly interfering in German/Polish negotiations, and second by declaring war on Germany.

    Read more here:
    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/20...war-ii-is-beginning-to-emerge-74-years-later/
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    This is a brief, but substantive compilation of the main happenings of WWII by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, who in turn used the books by David Irving.
    In the very end it turned out that the Americans were the ultimate victors and took over the World Power Status from the British Empire.
    There has been no peace in the world since!!
     
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    No. That was Morell. I am referring to Richard Weber.
     
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    If you can find it you should read a book called "Through the Eye of Time" by Trevor Hoyle. Truly the strangest SF book I have ever perused
     
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    You can get the entire Q Trilogy on Amazon for $3.99...
     
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    Does it makes Germany less agressor?
     
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    Ordered. Thank you
     
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    Strawman.
     
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    Germany did not start the WORLD war. The WORLD war was started when England and France declared war on Germany. BEFORE that, it wasn't a WORLD war, but a REGIONAL war between Germany, Russia, and Poland. And it should have STAYED that way. Unfortunately, the insanity of Churchill, combined with the corruption and stupidity of the English ruling class, prevailed, and the WORLD was dragged into the deadliest conflict in human history.
     
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