New Rule: From the River to the Sea | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)

Zionist terrorism in the 1940s, against both the British and Arab residents played a role in establishing Israel as a Jewish state.

https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/a...rrorism-that-led-to-israels-creation-15767166

It isn't hard to read up on.

 

The Chippawa forced the Sioux off their land by lake Superior, into the plains and the Sioux had to replace their entire way of life from Woodland culture and harvesting wild rice to a nomadic people chasing buffalo.

Personally I find that fascinating because we tend to worship that plains Indian culture. But they were forced into it.

 

More strawmen, really? I am very aware of Hamas' magnitude of dehumanizing tactics. That doesn't excuse Israel's treatment of Palestinians.

No. You have it backwards I wrote that I will NOT presume 2 million people to all be irrational. If you insist that they are, that's you making a claim, not me.

 

they are irrational. It’s proven fact. Not believing in fact and claiming doing so is a presumption is simply logical fallacy.

you simply don’t know facts even when they’re posted and sourced right in front of you. You just ignore it.

You explain nothing. Backup nothing. Source nothing. Make zero logical deductions. You simply project, make fallacious claims, and blatantly ignore sourced facts to the contrary.

how pathetic

 

Oh please. So Israel just needs to sit there and allow HAMAS to continue murdering and raping citizens forever, because its inhumane to fight back and defend themselves? Israel is DEFENDING THEMSELVES from TERRORISTS. Palestinians don't own a damn thing. Its not THEIRS. They LOST. Palestine is NOT a country. Its just people living on land led by a terrorist organization that's only purpose is killing Jews. Hamas has NO interest in building a peaceful country. If they did, there wouldn't be war. There would be peace, like we have with Canada or Mexico. If Mexico was shooting rockets into Texas, would we just sit there worrying about all the "children" Mexican cartels stick on the front porches of their drug fields or in front of the rocket launchers? YOU LOSE worrying about causalities your enemy is PORPOSELY putting their own people in harms way. HAMAS is using human shields. You don't understand what that means? They ADMIT IT. They WANT Palestinians dying. Every death is ammo for people like YOU to sympathize. Israel doesn't want their citizens to die, because they actually care. Hamas is using those people as pawns and THOSE people GAVE them the power to do it and continue to support them. They are NOT innocent.

We knew when we dropped the bombs on Japan what would happen. Did we care? Not really. It ended the war. Japan INSTIGATED it. They STARTED IT!!! Hamas has ALWAYS started it. That's their only purpose...to kill all the Jews "...from the river to the sea." Wipe them out. And that's what will happen if Israel just sat their worrying about HUMAN SHIELDS. Its disgusting but what can Israel do? Just sit back and DIE? Its barbaric what Hamas is and does and comparing Israel to Hamas is equally barbaric and says exactly who YOU are.

As visualized on the map, Arabs have plenty of land and Palestinians have plenty of places to flee to. Yet, its the Joooooos fault? WAKE UP!!!

 

One should note that those doing all the virtue signalling do so because they neither understand virtue nor are they possessed of any.

 

My favorite line "But Palestine is little more the an Open air Prison" Meanwhile 80% of their land borders are controlled by Egypt and Jordan? So whose fault is that? Well actually the Palestinians who tried to Kill Jordans king for the crime of not hating Jews enough. And who did, while working through the Muslim Botherhood did assassinate Anwar Sadat for the same crime.

 

It's a proven fact that 2 million people, half of them children are all irrational? No. That's pure bigotry.

 

So you thought something some idiot leftist regurgitated a month ago now changes all of history?
Its amazing how easy it is to take command of leftist thinking.

 

Strawman. Not what I wrote.

That may excuse some collateral damage, but that excuse only goes so far. It does not excuse the indiscriminate killing of Palestinians.

Possibly. But no, not like Canada or Mexico. More like the apartheid situation in the west bank.

That is debatable. Israel pushed people out, engaged in terrorism to become a "Jewish State", and continues to oppress Palestinians in both Gaza and the West Bank. There is no excuse for any of that. Hamas engaged in horrid terrorism today and there is no excuse that either.

As the powerful nation that they are, and with the backing of the USA, the most powerful nation on earth, there is a lot they could do.

There should be far more humanitarian efforts and a massive PR campaign for peace and reconciliation. A two state solution could be put on the table by Israel today and kept there indefinitely (then your claim that Palestinians reject it would be more rational; if they do). Apartheid could be ended in the west bank. Special ops and espionage could be leaned on much harder. Hamas could be treated as the terrorist organization that it is rather than as a democratically elected representative of modern Palestinians (many of whom were not born before the last election there) and Israel could make distinctions between it and Palestinian innocent children in its messaging rather than constantly conflating the two, and so much more.

Israel has not only a right, but a duty to defend itself, and acting in ways that creates rather than diminishes Hamas support puts Israel in more danger, not less.

Is that your message to Palestinians?

Yet another strawman. I did not write that Israel is equally barbaric to Hamas. Please stop such dishonesty.

This is another important distinction that needs to be made. Israel and the Netanyahu regime is not Judaism and is not representative of Jewish people as a whole. There are plenty of Jews who oppose him and what he has been doing.

 

looks like you either didn’t read the polling I put up in front of your face or you don’t understand percentages. LOL.

 

How can Israel fight back without killing anyone when Hamas uses them as shields? Its impossible NOT to kill them, because Hamas puts them in the way in order to be killed. You understand what a human shield is? You understand why they shoot rockets from schools and hospitals? To get people like YOU to parrot idiotic talking points about killing children. Many are killed and tossed into the crater and ruble and people like YOU look at a photo taken by Hamas and actually believe it.

The fact you think Israel is indiscriminately killing anyone means you KNOW NOTHING. That's what HAMAS does. Not a single Palestinian would die if they actually cared about living in peace. But they don't. They had so many chances and keep squandering it. Not even their own people will take them. Neighboring countries that closely share their culture. Nope. They don't want them either. Wonder why?

A 2 state solution doesn't work when one state wants to KILL YOU. They've had multiple chances and keep attacking Israel every time it comes up. Over and over again. You're spreading LIES and its sad.

 

They can't. As I wrote above, there will be some collateral damage. That is not an excuse to be careless about it. They have gotten so careless about it that they killed their own escaped hostages who were trying to surrender and be rescued by the IDF.

It's also what Israel is doing more and more of under this regime. People keep pointing at Hamas as if anyone who criticizes Netanyahu regime supports Hamas or as if Hamas doing something vile makes it reasonable for the IDF to do something vile or for genocidal views towards Palestinians to be pushed. It doesn't. X being worse doesn't make Y not bad.

Neat talking point, but I think we all know that's not true. Even some of the hostages Hamas took who escaped were not able to surrender to the IDF without getting murdered.

What chance does a toddler living in Palestine today have? What would you have him do? Take down Hamas with his lil fists? And then die or have his family die to Israeli bombs and be cool with it?

When was it last offered? Do you think Netanyahu's regime supports it? If you are so sure Palestinians will reject it today, the. Why not offer it and show that to be true? It's because Israel's current government of has no interest in it either. Palestinians may not recognize Israel's right to exist, yet Israel does exist. Does Israel recognize Palestine's right to exist?

No, you are. I am able to condemn all the wrongdoers here, Hamas and Netanyahu, the settlers, Iran, etc. You have shown no indication that you are so able.

 

You haven't walked a mile in the shoes of the IDF.

 

Tell you what. How about I do that for a year and you spend one day as a Palestinian in Gaza right now. I'll wager you'd learn more than I from the experience.

 

Just a mile, then get back to us.

 

not fair. it is common knowledge (which means you probably not aware of it that the IDF routinely treats its members well regardless of their personal backgrounds

 

I am not sure where you keep getting this 7 million number. Every time I look it up I get around 2 million.

Fact Sheet: Palestinian Citizens of Israel | IMEU

• "There are 1.9 million Palestinian citizens of Israel (as of December 2019), comprising 21% of Israel’s population.
• 83% of Palestinian citizens of Israel are Muslim, 9% are Christian, and 8% are Druze, according to Adalah: The Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel."

 

There are roughly 2 million Palestinians in Israel, 2 million in Gaza and 3 million in the West Bank, give or take:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demog...e of the Palestine,The World Factbook in 2018.

 

Most Israeli Arabs don't define themselves as "Palestinians".
https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-...arabs-define-themselves-as-palestinian-625285

Palestinian terrorists killed and kidnapped Israeli Bedouins on October 7th, so I'd say that Palestinians themselves don't define Israeli Arabs as Palestinians. Or they don't care about killing their own people. Or both.

 

Well how we treated them under Trump. Obama let them metastasize and form a Caliphate, Trump destroyed the Caliphate, followed by the two most peaceful years we've enjoyed since 9/11/01.

But now under Bribed Joe?

 

Hamas, Islamic Jihad Reject Egypt Proposal to Leave Gaza

The war continues because of Hamas refuses to surrender or even just to leave.

'The Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad terror groups have reportedly rejected an Egyptian proposal that would see Hamas give up control of the Strip in return for a permanent ceasefire.'