Nikki Haley denies Gaza violence is related to new US Embassy in Jersualem

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  1. Zorro

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    As the Administering Authority of the West Bank, Israel absolutely does have the right to tear down homes built without permits and it does tear down unpermitted buildings, whether built by Palestinian Arabs or Palestinian Jews. This is known!
    The Israeli/Palestinian borders will be settled in peaceful bilateral negotiation. Borders will not be imposed by outside forces.
     
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    Nikki Haley is a bombastic shrew promoting Israeli propaganda.

    She is a perfect foil for Donald Trump in her willingness to publicly and bombastically lie and bully third world countries.

    Nikki Haley is the opposite of a diplomat. "She’s mean. She’s hypocritically moralistic. She’s irritating."

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/nikki-haley-*******/

     
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    The US got outvoted in the UN and, where they made Palestine a nation. You know,... freaking democracy? There is no harm there at all. This makes Palestine and Israel on a far more equal playing field.

    And it's Israel who refuses to make any progress in peace. They are gunning down, by the 1000's... people who want to return home. While keep on expanding into the WB,.. against the wishes of THE ENTIRE WORLD, wrapping up condemnation after condemnation!
     
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    Look up "UN Security Council Member VETO"
    In the disputed territories, Palestinian Arab Settlements are allowed to expand for population growth and Palestinian Jewish settlements are allowed to expand for population growth.
     
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    The US doesn't have any veto in the UN General Assembly, where they voted Palestine as a nation.
    They vote if places are a nation in the UNGA, not in the UNSC.
    That joyful event happened in 2015, by the way.
    There is no such thing as a disputed territory according the THE ENTIRE WORLD, including the international court of justice. Only the ethnic cleansing Jewish government and it's henchmen say that. It's irrelevant opinion... and totally destroys the peace protest to continue to ethnic cleanse around. They can take it up with the ICJ to try to overturn that opinion.
     
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    What you call the Administering authority is a military occupation. Hence the term "occupied territories"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Bank
     
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    All over the world,.. true... not in this case of the WB because of the reasons I previously mentioned.
     
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    There is disputed territory all over the world. It's all administered by one of the disputed parties, generally the party that won the test of strength. Only when Israel is a party, of the over a hundred disputed territories in the world, does the UN call the administering party a Military Occupation.

    They fool no one!
     
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    And the International Court of Justice agrees. What's the problem?
    Problem is that Jews don't get to ethnic cleanse some more? Too bad.
     
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    The first problem is jurisdiction.

    Look up "Jurisdiction", International Court of Justice, Silly!
     
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    Why do you keep talking about situations in other parts of the world. Each situation is different has its own set of circumstances.

    The fact of the matter that in "this situation" the world community, the UN, the International courts has condemned the Israeli occupation and settlements in the West bank as illegal.

    We can debate whether or not you think this is correct - but the above is just a statement of fact. Moving to goal posts to a different situation in some other part of the world that is not comparable is a false dichotomy - unless you can describe how that other situation is the same and explain why it is applicable under international law or some other precedent.
     
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    The UN security Council, including the USA, has many times voted that Israel should leave Palestinian territories.

    Israel is afraid to leave because they kill so many Palestinians the grievances will persist.
     
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    UN resolutions against Israel which the USA either supported or didn't veto including demands that Israel leave the occupied territories and for isolation of Israel because of its refusal to comply with nuclear non-proliferation treaties.

    The USA is abetting Israel's non-compliance with nearly all the UN Security Council resolutions:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel

     
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    1981-2017 UN SC resolutions:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel

     
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    The International Court does not have jurisdiction.
    The goal posts haven't moved since 1967, shortly after the 6 day war and several months before RFK was gunned down by a murderous Palestinian. The final borders between Israel and the Palestinian state will be resolved through bilateral negotiations, borders will not be imposed by outside forces.
     
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    The final borders have not been drawn and there must be assurances that borders will be peacefully respected. Israel withdrew from Gaza and the Palestinians do not respect the Gaza/Israel border, we can hope their children will and that one day there will be peace.
     
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    I did not say it did ?


    What does this have to do with you "moving the goal posts" by trying to claim that disputed territories in other locations were relevant to the topic at hand - and not giving any justification for your claim that there is some relevance ?
     
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    Final borders have been mandated by UNSC resolutions which the USA supported or did not oppose.
     
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    It does NOT have jurisdiction, so, you can basically complete hygiene with their opinion.
    Nowhere in the ENTIRE world, does the UN describe the administering power in a disputed territory as a "Military Occupation" unless Israel is involved.
     
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    As Obama explained when the US threatened to Veto the UN resolution, resolution will not be IMPOSED on Israel and the Palestinians, they will be AGREED on, in peaceful bilateral negotiations.
     
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    Its not a disputed territory. It's an occupation. You argument is like saying California, Nevada, and Texas is disputed territory due to Mexican 'settlement'.
     
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    There will only be a peaceful settlement when US speaks for itself instead of for Israel.
     
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    No country has had more UNSC resolutions against it than Israel. These resolutions were mostly supported by the USA either by voting for it or by not exercising a veto.

    Other countries that have violated UNSC resolutions have been sanctioned.
     
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    It is disputed territory, inhabited by Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Arabs.
    No. More like Muhurichar river island
     

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