NO evidence of nationwide election fraud!!

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You will have to wait for the lawsuits to play out before you can say that.
     
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    They don't look at anything outside their little bubble. They're too busy throwing a temper tantrum to think about anything past themselves
     
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    Provide a link, provide a link, provide a link. Why the big deal? All I did was repeat what I heard in the News Conference (which I'm sure you didn't hear) then offered the opinion it is either right or wrong. If it's right, we will find out and you are going to have big trouble.You want a link look up todays News conference for yourself and call that a link.I repeat, today's News Conference with Giuliani. You want find mention of it on left wing media..https://www.newsmax.com/politics/giuliani-trump-election-lawsuit/2020/11/19/id/997867/
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is yet another post with a baseless claim, no link provided.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They made their case today but you just don't want to hear it. Your news media doesn't report anything other than the Coronation of Creepy Joe and Dr. Jill. Guess you'll hear it when it goes to court.
     
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    Yes...from today they clearly made a great case with such amazing detailed evidence such as...

    "What I’m describing to you is a massive fraud," Giuliani said."

    "The allegations ranged from complaints that Republican observers weren’t allowed to observe vote-counting in Philadelphia and Detroit to a claim by Trump lawyer Sidney Powell that U.S. voting machines made by Dominion Voting Systems Inc. used software made in Venezuela at the direction of Hugo Chavez. (Chavez, who was Venezuela's president, died in 2013.")

    “President Trump won by a landslide,” she said. “We are going to prove it.”

    Giuliani also accused Democrats of being "crooks" who committed massive fraud in several battleground states "to steal an election from the American people."


    Wow...I don't know about everyone else but I'm convinced.
     
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    Giuliani says he has evidence and will present it in court. Today's news conference was an overview of what the evidence shows. Now it just has to play out in court. It is almost certain in my opinion that it won't change the election but there is certainly value in uncovering fraud. I am certainly not convinced that the the election results are fair and believable but they are what they are.
     
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    Here's a look at some of the top claims made during the briefing and the facts around them.

    Certification in Wayne County
    Giuliani said the Trump campaign withdrew one case in Michigan because its goal was to get the Wayne County board to decertify and they did.

    Facts First: This is false. The county's results were certified on Tuesday night.

    Two Republican members of the Board initially deadlocked the vote but then reversed their decision and voted to certify Tuesday night. They have since sent in affidavits to rescind their vote but have not filed any lawsuits to try to force the county to call a new meeting. Since the deadline has passed, the certification still stands.

    Democratic Vice Chair Jonathan Kinloch said Thursday that board members' votes cannot be changed after the fact.
     
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    'Overvotes' in Michigan

    "One of the reasons why the Republicans did not certify in Wayne County, Michigan, was because the over-vote was so high," Giuliani claimed. He added, "what I'm describing to you is a massive fraud."

    Facts First: This is false.

    What Giuliani called an over-vote is often referred to as an imbalance where the number of ballots tabulated does not equal the number of people signed in to vote at a specific polling location.

    Past elections in Michigan with larger imbalances have been certified without issue, including in 2016 when Trump won the state, according the Michigan Secretary of State.

    "They certified the vote in 2016 with 80% of Detroit precincts out of balance. And yet today, 42% were out of balance and yet it didn't get certified, so clearly there is no valid point here," Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson said.


    Benson told CNN it's "quite common" for precincts to be out of balance but "it doesn't indicate there's any malfeasance," adding "it's more of a bookkeeping, clerical issue."

    There are many reasons a precinct could be out of balance and have a discrepancy between the number of ballots cast and the number of people registered into the poll book, according to Chris Thomas who served as a senior adviser to the Detroit City Clerk. Thomas, who has built a decades-long career serving both Republican and Democratic Secretaries of State, told CNN that in general, through his many years of experience, an imbalance should be viewed as clerical mistakes and not fraud.
     
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    You obviously haven't googled "news conference giuliani".
    https://www.google.com/search?q=new...ome..69i57.8934j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
     
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    Poll Watchers

    Giuliani claimed that more than 600,000 ballots in Pennsylvania "weren't inspected which renders them ballots that are null and void."

    Facts First: This is false. Nothing is illegitimate about those ballots.

    A Pennsylvania Supreme Court justice decided that the Philadelphia County board of elections complied with the law in how it allowed observers access to the canvassing process.

    The law allows the observers to be present, the judge wrote, but they do not have the right to inspect or look over the shoulders of the workers counting the ballots. The judge ruled canvas watchers in Philadelphia cannot challenge ballots and don't need to inspect each individual signature.
     
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    Wrong case and the court in question 5 Dems 2 reps and a 5-2 decision who'd a think it other than everyone with a braon. Oh and please check out the Sydney Powell demolition of the idea that there is no evidence.
     
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    Reversed and reversed again. You do realize that they first reversed it because they and their families were getting threats of financial ruin and death threats, don't you? Just another lawsuit in the wings.
     
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    Uh huh....hahaha
     
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    They were not processed under the state law of PA. Hundreds of thousands were counted after counting was declared finished and watchers sent home. There is also the equal protection clause of the constitution where counting in these targeted cities was done differently then the rest of the counties in the state.
     
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    That's not what the Dominion employee who installed the election rigging system for Hugo Chavez said about what he observed in our 2020 election. Did you design the vote rigging system? Should we advise the DOJ to contact you for testimony?
     
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    Also, the promise made to them was then later called to be non-binding. They reversed again after that but the dems already played their game and claim now they can't.

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    Uh huh
     
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    Well that settles it. Total fraud. Trump is sure to win the election now
     
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    Your childish effort to ignore the facts is, well, childish.
     
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    I haven’t ignored the fact that no one is able to provide ANY real evidence of widespread fraud. You want to operate using NO facts. Sad
     
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    You are probably not savvy enough to understand that the evidence will be provided in court, not in public.
     
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    Bull. If there was ANY widespread voter fraud it would have been exposed already. Stop with the silly nonsense
     
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    Why would it be exposed now since we are only talking about a few cities controlled by democrats that have no interest in exposing their own fraud?
     
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