No verdict on eighth day of U.S. abortion doctor deliberations

Perhaps some of us are stuck in a 1980s time warp, but nobody is stuck in a Biblical era time warp.

That depends upon the stage of pregnancy.

Sex specific pronouns are appropriate when one KNOWS the sex, when one does not know, "it" suffices.

Everyone who has a brain has momentary lapses. There is no reason for a woman to be punished because she made a momentary mistake. There is no reason why she can't do everything medically feasible to rectify that mistake. We really do not need to rely upon nature.

I'm not Cady, but what's to love about a man who hates women?

 

Are you suggesting that this is not a choice...one that you ladies predominately control?

Can killing the unborn be anything but violent and bloody? Propaganda would be believing that this killing does not end a human's life.

Ok, Mrs. Right (all the time).

Maybe it was more a fear of women rather than dislike? I can think of much to like...except for the one's that can shoot well, you just don't want to upset them.

And that is why one should train not to place themselves in a position where pregnancy is a potential. Children, people, life are a blessing...the more the merrier.

Oh, Granny you're making me blush! Forgive me for sounding like Sally Fields but "You like me, you really, really like me!" But you're not the boss of me! Somebody else already has that job.

 

Why are you NOW ladies so anti-Bible?

But the developing human has made no mistake, committed no crime yet he or she is sentenced to death.

Thank you for that pearl but I could tell by the avatar.

Couldn't you change him Granny? If the guy hates women he's gotta be for at least half the abortions committed, yes? That's one in the plus column for your side, no?

 

I hate to disappoint you, but I'm not a NOW lady, although I approve of their work. We are not "anti-Bible", we just don't talk that way these days.

The "developing human" has no desires to fulfill, has no life of its own (only that life given to it by the woman), and so has really nothing to lose.

Aaaah, don't you like my picture?

No, if it IS possible to change a man, it's too much work.

 

And here I thought you were in the Bible-belt.

Your take is a familiar one, used to dehumanize the young, the old, the infirmed...the undesirables so the argument can be made to divest them of their right to life. Not saying it is your statement (though I see it as cold blooded too) but they do use the same criteria.

I do, was only pointing out that it gives away the fact that you are not Cady. My TINY attempt at humor.

To create a NOW man, one after your own image would not be rewarding enough?! Or is it that Mr. Granny already is, so no need or challenge to turn him?

 

EVEN in the Bible belt, we don't talk that way these days.

It's not dehumanizing, it's just de-emotionalizing.

Thank you, a girl sometimes has to work so hard to get a compliment.

It's easier just to find a man who thinks the right way, than to get one to change directions.

 

Wanting government control of women's reproduction seems more 1984-esque to me.

Since it is inside the woman, it isn't our business.

A fetus is human, so it can't be dehumanizing to call it a fetus.

I would ask Melvin, "if men have brains, why don't they use them to avoid any sort of accident?" And I would urge that you and Melvin simply follow through to the natural conclusion of any accidents you may have.

Nah, Melvin is your ideal, not mine.

 

Wouldn't you agree that part of our humanity, what identifies us as human is our emotions, to love, to empathize and/or sympathize. Take this away and humanity is diminished, lost, less than human.

 

I think it is better for us if we learn to balance our decisions, especially critical life-changing decisions, with reason and feeling. When emotion overwhelms reason for major decisions, we get an outcome that will likely be regretted later. I think reason, not emotion, is what distinguishes us from other animals.

 

Do you have a problem with the same entity that allows the premeditated death of the unborn? Isn't it the same entity that sometimes caps the "with child's" age as too old to be aborted...is this the same entity that you most assuredly side with and must undoubtedly be against because of its control over the arbitrary reproductive "with child" timetable?

Is this why women seem to be popular as drug mules?

A fetus definition encompasses both human and non-human. "It" typically refers to objects and possessions (except for slave owners and human traffickers who see certain types of life as a commodity, an "it").

The accident culminates in birth and that would be fatherhood, once again we agree.

He was/is played as an interesting character. Who is your ideal (besides me of course)?

 

As a general principle I can agree, A wise way to deal with life's challenges and difficulties. However, we will have, if we do not already, artificial intelligence that will/can "reason" but I would not call it human. Our ability to love, empathize/sympathize is a necessary component of our humanity...without it we can be cold blooded reasoners...look to any tyrant, each had an objective/goal and reasoned a strategy to accomplish it. He needn't hate his people, just reason that their wellbeing/value is less than or inconsequential to his goals.

 

Your position is devoid of reason and feeling.

And it is the lack of emotional feeling from the pro-abort community that is the thing that is actually the most tragic. This says a lot about our culture today and where we are headed.
You and the other pro-aborts here remind of the book by A Brave New World. And who hangs himself in that book? Ahhh yes, the World State Society...could be the pro-abortion community today for sure. You talk about emotion and that it is negative...I am sure most pro-aborts live that life to the letter. The pro-abort worldview is incompatible with happiness and truth. A position where its adherents run around saying and doing anything to avoid the real truth. Abortion the drug of choice.. will solve all problems both with the mother and the world. Such willful self delusion...which leaves the position in the end...only with the end of a noose. There is a loss of humanity in the pro-abort community...and its just sad to see the joy that comes over the faces of those that just love to kill.

Devoid of emotion? Not on your life grannie.....abortion is linked to sadness, fear, pain, anguish, evil, devastation....and all humans at one time or another feel these. The difference....between the pro-abort community and the pro-life one.....the separation of good emotions with those that will always remain destructive.

And the destructive ones lie in the hands of the abortionists and those that put the scalpel in his/her hands.

 

A perfect example of a surplus of emotion and drama, and serious lack of reason.

 

You say that and yet we are all extremely passionate about the side we choose. Pro-choicers are passionate about protecting women and protecting their civil rights and on the flip side pro-lifers are passionate about protecting the fetus and it's rights.

You can hardly say either side has no emotion or feeling when it comes to their position in this debate. The only real difference when it comes down to the nitty gritty of it all between us is who's rights we believe supercede the other's in this case.

You have to remember too though that appealing to emotion and 'feelings' can be considered a fallacy in logical and rational debate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion

 

I have many problems with the government. We all do. I don't think late term laws are necessary, because abortions at that point are for medical reasons and also because late term abortion laws can harm all pregnant women.

Off topic, but one reason women are "popular as drug mules," is that they are easily dominated and forced into sex trafficking and drug running, etc.

So does the definition for baby.

"It" can also refer to a fetus or baby when the gender is unknown.

From http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/ask-teacher/112748-can-we-refer-unborn-baby-using-pronoun.html

If you have a solid case for your position, it shouldn't be necessary to resort to appeal to emotion and grammatical quibbling.

You are side stepping the point, which is that an unwanted pregnancy is an accident and doesn't indicate the lack of a brain.

 

I thought all abortions were for medical reasons (health, mental/physical, of the mother). Kermit G would certainly have profited by having all those late term laws going bye-bye.

Off topic but the first thing that came to mind when you posted something about what was inside the women's body is nobody's business.

OK, can we agree that a pronoun is used in place of a noun (person, place, thing or animal)?

When I speak of an "it" I am typically referring to a lifeless object, a possession (not humans/people).

From your perspective, when you speak of the pronoun "it" in place of "fetus" in this specific forum thread context, which noun status are you substituting for-person, place, thing or animal? <-------question emotionless enough for you? Can't give a woman everything at once or she'll become bored

That is why women (intelligent people) must educate/train to avoid those positions that put them at risk for an unwanted responsibility. Didn't you revolt when your parent's told you that you would have to be responsible and unselfish? Males must be responsible to their duty. If we have unselfish and responsible people involved in a situation it will turn out best for all parties, except the abortionist he's out of a contract kill.

Abortion, just another form of human trafficking?

 

CadY said,

Sure ya don't...you want laws to restrict everything else..but not killing. Heck why do we need laws against rape...most people don't do that. What a lame excuse. The thing is...your position is hypocritical. Freedom, rights.....enslavement, no rights...that is the pro-abort position.

It is off topic... you should surely get an infraction...LOL...no not you..but if I said something I would. LMAO

Women walk into abortion clinics by their own free will....they are not forced. So what you said has nothing to do with abortion.

 

Since any pregnancy is a risk to the woman's health and life, and permanently damages her body, legal abortion should be available.

He was charged with infanticide, not illegal abortion.

A fetus is not recognized by the Constitution as a person. It is a potential person, IMO.

That's why I support comprehensive sex education and free or affordable birth control.

 

But your not protecting women. If you were doing that...then what happened at Gosnells clinic never would have happened , you as a pro-abort that wants no restrictions, you should know that. BEcause most the pro-aborts don't believe in late term abortion. It is not safe for the women who want to abort in late terms. So there is no one fighting for their rights...why?

How can someone with a tender heart...who loves children...condone abortion. It's monsterous and I used to be a part of it. It is a position devoid of emotion...and compassion. Pro-aborts are passionate about killing children...that is their passion. They say its all about womens rights but its not...because they don't fight for womens rights.

 

It really is so boring the way you project your fantasies onto other people . .all this "you want", "you do" stuff just makes you look silly.

Every single thing you have posted above is based purely in your own mind with not a single shred of evidence to support it, it's sad to see someone reducing to ranting on every thread, it really is.

 

What happened at Gosnell's clinic would have happened by hundreds if abortion were illegal

 

It's a pointless exercise BB, you cannot convince a radical zealot of anything other than their own delusions, no matter what evidence is put before them. They will NEVER see the wood for the trees.

 

That's like saying, because medical malpractice happens that all hospitals should be shut down. It is just absurd to take one anomaly and say we should end all healthcare from reputable clinics because of that anomaly. And guess what? We are protecting women as a society in this case because Gosnell got shut down and he is on trial for his crimes.

How come you cannot participate in a logical and rational debate without turning to emotional appeal?

You used to be passionate about killing children? That's what you were passionate about?

Yes we do, we fight for their right to maintain ownership of their autonomy while pro-lifers fight it every step of the way.

 

My Dear Cady, The question was regarding your use of the pronoun "It." Very curious, were you describing a person, place, thing or animal? Now it's a lady's prerogative to demurely ignore that which she wishes too...just want to confirm you didn't misread my question.

 

"IT" is a generic pronoun referring to something either male or female