Noam Chomsky: GOP Is "Literally A Serious Danger To Human Survival"

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by resisting arrest, Jan 28, 2016.

  1. mudman

    mudman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2013
    Messages:
    5,355
    Likes Received:
    4,194
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    What proposals are dangerous and how are they dangerous?

    Most of them promote fiscal responsibility which is the direct opposite of Bernie Sanders. I'm not even sure what Hillary has proposed...has she given anything concrete?
     
  2. bigfella

    bigfella Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2016
    Messages:
    7,562
    Likes Received:
    8,771
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Everything isn't about money and ascribing everything to a financial motive is one of those self-reinforcing paradigms that will never get you to the truth. He does it because he believes it. He believed it when he was unknown outside linguistics and he believes it now. I think he enjoys the adulation & I think he enjoys the idea of 'influence' while studiously cultivating the 'just a humble academic' persona. Sure, he gets paid, but I think that is secondary. he could have had a nice life with tenure as a linguist. I also think he deliberately chose the easy path - spending your life trying to stay relevant in a field like linguistics is hard. Repeating the same anti-Western rhetoric in a thousand iterations for decades is easy.
     
  3. georgephillip

    georgephillip Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 25, 2013
    Messages:
    2,067
    Likes Received:
    400
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Gender:
    Male
    What does your alleged education tell you about those who collaborate with a brutal occupation force? When the oppressed submit to the religion of their oppressors, they get exactly what they deserve when the western imperialists are defeated, i.e., there are No Silver Medals in Revolutionary Times.

    If you find Wiki inadequate, there's a simple solution.
    Prove how much you know about this subject that Wiki doesn't by editing the entry I linked to.
    Or not.
     
  4. bigfella

    bigfella Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2016
    Messages:
    7,562
    Likes Received:
    8,771
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Suddenly it all makes sense. You actually think mass murder is fine, as long as you can construe the murderers as 'oppressed'. You are a true Chomskyite. There is no point arguing with a fanatic.
     
  5. georgephillip

    georgephillip Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 25, 2013
    Messages:
    2,067
    Likes Received:
    400
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Gender:
    Male
    You display an amazing gift for understatement:
    "April 15, 1992

    "Many are the authors who may wonder if anyone is paying attention to what they write.

    "Professor Noam Chomsky, MIT's preeminent linguistics authority, doesn't have that problem.

    "Recent research on citations in three different citation indices show that Professor Chomsky is one of the most cited individuals in works published in the past 20 years.

    "In fact, his 3,874 citations in the Arts and Humanities Citation Index between 1980 and 1992 make him the most cited living person in that period and the eighth most cited source overrall--just behind famed psychiatrist Sigmund Freud and just ahead of philosopher Georg Hegel.

    "Indeed, Professor Chomsky is in illustrious company. The top ten cited sources during the period were: Marx, Lenin, Shakespeare, Aristotle, the Bible, Plato, Freud, Chomsky, Hegel and Cicero."
    http://news.mit.edu/1992/citation-0415

    Would you like to tell us how Chomsky's citations compare with David Irving's?
     
  6. Doug_yvr

    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2008
    Messages:
    19,096
    Likes Received:
    1,827
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So actually reading the article and then commenting on it was too complicated for you?
     
  7. bigfella

    bigfella Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2016
    Messages:
    7,562
    Likes Received:
    8,771
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No idea. Not relevant. Both excuse & cover up genocide, only one did it while that genocide was underway. The fact that one of these men is the subject of fawning admiration says everything about those who choose to overlook his behaviour. I knock off 10% of presumed IQ & 10% of presumed morality for every Chomsky reference I see.
     
  8. georgephillip

    georgephillip Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 25, 2013
    Messages:
    2,067
    Likes Received:
    400
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Gender:
    Male
     
  9. bigfella

    bigfella Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2016
    Messages:
    7,562
    Likes Received:
    8,771
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You've just spent a day bombarding me with 'proof' that I should respect Chomsky, so apparently my opinion matters to you. Its one of the odd features of the Chomsky cult that its devotees are desperate to prove to & all unbelievers that their hero is 'objectively' worthy or worship. It is both funny & sad to watch. You clearly crave the approval of others, I don't.

    My opinions of Chomsky are based on my own ability to read his work & compare it to the facts. I don't require others top agree or approve.

    Now, it is my experience that debating with fanatics is repetitive & largely pointless. Showing others how poorly constructed their arguments are has some value. This has played itself out for now. I'll leave you to your cult & your genocidal fantasies.
     
  10. jackdog

    jackdog Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2009
    Messages:
    19,691
    Likes Received:
    384
    Trophy Points:
    83
    My first thought was who is Noam Chomsky and why should I give a flying fart about what he thinks. Imagine my relief when I learned I have no need to care and can go and finish my life Noam Chomsky free
     
  11. rockyreagan

    rockyreagan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2004
    Messages:
    2,482
    Likes Received:
    39
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Of course he believes it, that doesn't change the fact that the reason he sells these books is to stay famous, and gain money from it. Hitler believed what he sold to, but that didn't stop him from cashing the checks from his book My Struggle. Had Chomsky stayed in his own field he would not be well known today by anyone. Do not doubt that a big part of the reason he does this, is because he likes leftist coming up to him and calling him a "great man". He wouldn't get that fandom if he stayed in the field he was actually trained in.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Chomsky is a linguist, who likes to feel important well enriching himself, by telling the world that trained economist and political scientist don't know what they are talking about. You are missing nothing by living your life without knowing a thing about him.
     
  12. georgephillip

    georgephillip Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 25, 2013
    Messages:
    2,067
    Likes Received:
    400
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Gender:
    Male
    When you said "I knock off 10% of presumed IQ & 10% of presumed morality for every Chomsky reference I see", I presumed you are a legend in your own mind and responded accordingly. Feel free to continue indulging you arrogance and ignorance. I couldn't care less.
     
  13. PreteenCommunist

    PreteenCommunist Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2014
    Messages:
    1,075
    Likes Received:
    23
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Gender:
    Female
    I have huge respect for Chomsky given his work in linguistics, but I don't see why he's an authority on political matters. Especially since he seems to be one of those moralistic r-r-radical liberals who call themselves anarchists.
     
  14. georgephillip

    georgephillip Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 25, 2013
    Messages:
    2,067
    Likes Received:
    400
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Gender:
    Male
    Chomsky has sold dozens of books relating to politics, including at least one best-seller. I don't usually rely on market-based justifications, but in Chomsky's case, hundreds of thousands of educated people around the globe have consistently bought the books on politics he writes.

    "Noam Chomsky is a renowned intellectual, an eminent theoretical linguist, cognitive scientist, philosopher, author, political activist and a major figure in analytic philosophy. He has spent most of his career at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), where his current title is Institute Professor Emeritus. Chomsky is the author of over 100 books on politics and linguistics. Politically speaking, he describes himself as a libertarian socialist..."

    As far as current examples of Chomsky's political relevance, consider his thoughts on Bernie Sanders in the 2016 primary campaigns

    "Melissa Parker (Smashing Interviews Magazine): You have a personal friendship with Bernie Sanders?"

    "Noam Chomsky: That’s kind of an exaggeration.

    "When he was mayor of Burlington about 30 years ago, he did invite me up for a couple of days to give some talks at town hall, and I also spent time with him.

    "We talked, and I kind of followed him around in his daily duties talking to firemen, people in old age homes, just discussing with people about their personal problems. I was struck by the fact that Sanders was able to engage very easily with people over quite a broad spectrum of attitudes, thoughts and class lines.

    "I thought he was very effective.

    "Sanders calls himself a Socialist, but I think what that means is New Deal Democrat basically.

    "A New Deal Democrat in today’s political spectrum is way off to the left.

    "President Eisenhower, who said that anyone who doesn’t accept New Deal measures is out of the political system, would be regarded as a dangerous leftist today.

    "Everything has moved so far to the right.

    "I don’t agree with Sanders on everything, not surprisingly, but I think he’s a respectable New Deal Democrat whose proposals would help the country considerably."

    https://chomsky.info/01202016-2/

    I don't agree with Chomsky on everything, but he has proven over and over again his opinions are not for sale to the highest bidder. That's enough for me to give this beliefs on politics and economics more credence than some corporate tool on television with a BA in Political Science or Journalism.
     
  15. Iron River

    Iron River Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2009
    Messages:
    7,082
    Likes Received:
    161
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Noam Chomsky an MIT institutional anarchist that hates the idea of states and nations. He believes that open boarders will benefit mankind so it is true that he is crazy as hell.
     
  16. georgephillip

    georgephillip Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 25, 2013
    Messages:
    2,067
    Likes Received:
    400
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Gender:
    Male
    10384456_1457832051151108_4155667977222299883_n1.jpg
    "The recent influx of child migrants into the US has put immigration and refugee issues in the limelight. Because many of these children are fleeing violence in countries like Honduras and El Salvador — countries where US foreign policy has empowered violent gangs and created political instability — the debate has also seen the resurgence of what I call the 'reparations argument' for liberal migration laws."
    http://openborders.info/blog/tag/aviva-chomsky/
     
  17. PreteenCommunist

    PreteenCommunist Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2014
    Messages:
    1,075
    Likes Received:
    23
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Gender:
    Female

    What is popular is not always...yeah, you know the drill.

    I think Chomsky's political writing is like the political equivalent of popsci. It's popular because it's (ostensibly) a critique of capitalism which doesn't use too many big words, but to me it comes across as badly reasoned and idealist. I mean, any so-called socialist who thinks there is anything remotely good about Sanders is horribly confused.
     
  18. georgephillip

    georgephillip Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 25, 2013
    Messages:
    2,067
    Likes Received:
    400
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Gender:
    Male
    Would you rather have Hllary?
    I don't think Chomsky is expecting much from Bernie as this exchange shows:


    "LET’S IMAGINE FOR EXAMPLE THAT BERNIE SANDERS WON THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS. WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD HAPPEN? COULD HE BRING RADICAL CHANGE IN THE STRUCTURES OF POWER OF THE CAPITALIST SYSTEM?
    Chomsky replies:
    "Suppose that Sanders won, which is pretty unlikely in a system of bought elections. He would be alone: he doesn’t have congressional representatives, he doesn’t have governors, he doesn’t have support in the bureaucracy, he doesn’t have state legislators; and standing alone in this system, he couldn’t do very much. A real political alternative would be across the board, not just a figure in the White House.

    "It would have to be a broad political movement. In fact, the Sanders campaign I think is valuable — it’s opening up issues, it’s maybe pressing the mainstream Democrats a little bit in a progressive direction, and it is mobilizing a lot of popular forces, and the most positive outcome would be if they remain after the election."

    http://www.salon.com/2015/09/25/noam_chomsky_bernie_sanders_cant_save_america_partner/
     
  19. Woolley

    Woolley Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2014
    Messages:
    4,134
    Likes Received:
    962
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You may be young or just unaware of the man's achievements but rest assured, you would be totally annihilated in a test of intellect with the great Noam Chomsky. Pick the subject, he would obliterate you. If you get bored, watch him dismantle the fabled Buckley way back in 69...the man is a genius.
     
  20. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    107,541
    Likes Received:
    34,488
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes, a danger to the communist collective.
     
  21. Babs

    Babs Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2015
    Messages:
    2,957
    Likes Received:
    19
    Trophy Points:
    0
    With just five words, the thread went off the rails right there.
     
  22. US Conservative

    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 19, 2015
    Messages:
    66,099
    Likes Received:
    68,212
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    He's a linguist. Thats where he shines, not in politics.

    I have seen that debate several times, Buckley owned that leftist.
     
  23. akphidelt2007

    akphidelt2007 New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2011
    Messages:
    19,979
    Likes Received:
    124
    Trophy Points:
    0
    When people say something that is truthful, you can agree with it without having to agree with every other thing the person has said in their life. In this case, Chomsky is right. Conservatives are a very big danger for the future of America. Even more dangerous than ISIS.
     
  24. 10A

    10A Chief Deplorable Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2013
    Messages:
    5,698
    Likes Received:
    1,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    People like Chomsky, and even worse the people that believe he is correct, are the biggest danger to America.

    Everything Chomsky says is anti-American. That's what he is; read anything he writes and he is anti-American. He's so far left he's anti-Obama That's his right and he has freedom to do so. The hypocrite lives under the blanket of freedom America provides while criticizing it at every turn. Only absolute morons think he tells the truth.
     
  25. US Conservative

    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 19, 2015
    Messages:
    66,099
    Likes Received:
    68,212
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Anybody care what a socialist thinks?
     

Share This Page