Not All Pedophiles Have Mental Disorder, American Psychiatric Association Says In New DSM

Unlike you I actually posted my evidence "honest"joe

Please educate yourself on the defintion of mental illness.

Mental illnesses are health conditions involving changes in thinking, emotion or behavior (or a combination of these). Mental illnesses are associated with distress and/or problems functioning in social, work or family activities.

Its the combination of those mental health issues that make it a mental disorder.

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/what-is-mental-illness

Its the pattern of how homosexuality was forced upon society that they are following. That's the point.

It is if you support removing any part of pedophilia from being a mental illness.

 

You're the one that keeps saying homosexuality is a mental disorder because they suffer from higher rates of suicide/depression etc. Ergo: correlation equals causation, your exact methodology.

See above.

You point to studies which themselves never claim that correlation equals causation as proof that correlation equals causation (that homosexuality is the concomitant mental illness as the source of negative outcomes).

In fact the studies you quote:

http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/481699

claim very little other than observed higher levels of depression suicide, mental illness among other things amongst gays and lesbians. Nobody's disputing that. I'm being perfectly honest about it, I'm surprised you can't see it.

They even observe that social factors, stigma, prejudice, discrimination and even lonliness could be factors affecting these outcomes. But they never claim this as de facto proven because that's not what the study set out to do.

What you can do is look at subsequent studies, such as the one I referenced, see what factors have changed and draw conclusions as to whether or not one factor has had a positive or negative affect on the other.

Given that there has been a 7% reduction in reported suicide attempts amongst LGBT youth since the implementation of SSM, what would you conclude as the up-tick in positive outcomes in LGBT youth. Nobody is reporting an irrefutable link but something's changed so what is it?

Nope you didn't. The study was a parabola of other studies in which outcomes were measured against the previous outcomes of the states themselves so even the most socially conservative states enjoyed more positive outcomes when measured against their previous performance. The study is peer reviewed and footnoted extensively. Anybody who is seriously interested can peruse the Journal of the American Medical Association study, methodology, control factors and conclusions here:

http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2604258

Here's information regarding similarly improved outcomes for married older LGBT Americans from the University of Washington:

http://www.washington.edu/news/2017...e-healthier-happier-than-singles-study-finds/

"Researchers found that, in general, participants in a relationship, whether married or in a long-term partnership, showed better health outcomes than those who were single. But those who were married fared even better, both socially and financially, than couples in unmarried, long-term partnerships."

They site an observed (among other things) reduction of youth LGBT suicide attempt rates across the board in the order of 7%

How do you account for this 7% reduction rate if, as you claim, depression and suicide are factors innate to being LGBT and an indicator. If outside sources can modify the rate and if many subjects aren't even afftected, you can't argue an innate pathology.

No I didn't write it and neither did one unitary body, it's a collation of studies from 32 different states.

I read them all, even the parts you conveniently skipped over because they don't suit your narrative.

I'm not a liberal but I'm definitely not a social conservative either. You're the one who first referred to me as "Chuckles" which is derogatory. Stating that such behavior is indicative of a person being a pompous arse is not the same thing. It's an observation and indication of your personality as belied by the things you write.

I've noted that I'm not the first person you referred to in similar terms. You obviously consider yourself a superior being who has a right to talk down to others but given that my position is supported by the entirety of medical and social science in the Western world, maybe you should ask yourself why you feel thusly qualified?

This refers to the Canadian age of consent for gay sex being lowered so it is the same as the Canadian age of consent for straight sex. And it's the Canadian Prime minister advocating for the change not "homosexual liberals".

The exact same thing happened in the UK also. Why do you think the age of consent should be higher for gay couples than straight couples? What's the justification for that? How does it help gay youth in their self perception when, for two years, they're criminalized for having sex while their heterosexual counterparts are not.

The exact same issue. They are talking about equalizing the age of consent between straights and gays.

Slate isn't arguing anything they are reporting something. They are reporting one UK person's arguments. I agree with some of what he's saying. I don't think teenagers should be crimilally prosecuted for having sex with each other. Many have proposed close-in-age provisions and guidelies which would avoid criminal prosecution for those within 2 to 3 years of each other. There's no reason we can't at least talk about things like this without exploding the outrageometer. You can still keep the legal age of consent at 16-18 to avoid giving a free pass to child molesters.

I don't think this person's views are indicative of the homosexual community any more than I think this person's views are indicative of the heterosexual community:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/39...top-persecution-of-old-men-says-top-barrister

Do you have any proof whatsoever that the person in the article is a "pedo"?

Did you even consider any of the reasoning he put forward? I don't think teenagers should be criminalized for experimenting with each other. If we prosecuted all those offenses we'd probably have another million jailbirds overnight.

It's called journalism.

It's not my LGBT community and outside Peter Tatchell, none of the examples you gave above were defined as heterosexual or homosexual. I'm pretty sure Justin Trudeau is not gay?

No it's not any more than NAMGLA is an active community under the Heterosexual banner.

NAMGLA. Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis, certain states in the US where persons can be married far below the age of consent with parental permission etc. etc. etc...

 

Wrong again. My studies were of homosexuals specifically citing their emotional state as their reason for those mental issues.


For God's sake just once read the data provided to you.

See above yourself. Its clear you read nothing I provided you.

More dishonesty as usual. Let's look at my actual link which contains multiple studies as referenced in the footnotes you so dishonestly left out.




The difference in health outcomes between women who identify as lesbians and women who report exclusive same-sex sexual behaviors or attractions is a good illustration of how the differences between sexual identity, behavior, and attraction matter.

[12] Susan D. Cochran and Vickie M. Mays, “Physical Health Complaints Among Lesbians, Gay Men, and Bisexual and Homosexually Experienced Heterosexual Individuals: Results From the California Quality of Life Survey,” American Journal of Public Health 97, no. 11 (2007): 2048–2055, http://dx.doi.org/10.2105/AJPH.2006.087254.

[13] Christine E. Grella et al., “Influence of gender, sexual orientation, and need on treatment utilization for substance use and mental disorders: Findings from the California Quality of Life Survey,” BMC Psychiatry 9, no. 1 (2009): 52, http://dx.doi.org/10.1186/1471-244X-9-52.

[14] Theo G.M. Sandfort et al., “Sexual Orientation and Mental and Physical Health Status: Findings from a Dutch Population Survey,” American Journal of Public Health 96, (2006): 1119–1125, http://dx.doi.org/10.2105/AJPH.2004.058891.

[15] Robert Graham et al., Committee on Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Health Issues and Research Gaps and Opportunities, Institute of Medicine, The Health of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender People: Building a Foundation for Better Understanding (Washington, D.C.: The National Academies Press, 2011), http://dx.doi.org/10.17226/13128.

[16] Susan D. Cochran, J. Greer Sullivan, and Vickie M. Mays, “Prevalence of Mental Disorders, Psychological Distress, and Mental Health Services Use Among Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual Adults in the United States,” Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology 71, no. 1 (2007): 53–61, http://dx.doi.org/10.1037/0022-006X.71.1.53.

[17] Lisa A. Razzano, Alicia Matthews, and Tonda L. Hughes, “Utilization of Mental Health Services: A Comparison of Lesbian and Heterosexual Women,” Journal of Gay & Lesbian Social Services 14, no. 1 (2002): 51–66, http://dx.doi.org/10.1300/J041v14n01_03.

[18] Robert Graham et al., The Health of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender People, 4.

[19] Ibid., 190, see also 258–259.

[20] Ibid., 211.

[21] Esther D. Rothblum and Rhonda Factor, “Lesbians and Their Sisters as a Control Group: Demographic and Mental Health Factors,” Psychological Science 12, no. 1 (2001): 63–69, http://dx.doi.org/10.1111/1467-9280.00311.

[22] Stephen M. Horowitz, David L. Weis, and Molly T. Laflin, “Bisexuality, Quality of Life, Lifestyle, and Health Indicators,” Journal of Bisexuality 3, no. 2 (2003): 5–28, http://dx.doi.org/10.1300/J159v03n02_02.

[23] By way of context, it may be worth noting that in the United States, the overall suicide rate has risen in recent years: “From 1999 through 2014, the age-adjusted suicide rate in the United States increased 24%, from 10.5 to 13.0 per 100,000 population, with the pace of increase greater after 2006.” Sally C. Curtin, Margaret Warner, and Holly Hedegaard, “Increase in suicide in the United States, 1999–2014,” National Center for Health Statistics, NCHS data brief no. 241 (April 22, 2016), http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db241.htm.

[24] Ann P. Haas et al., “Suicide and Suicide Risk in Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Populations: Review and Recommendations,” Journal of Homosexuality 58, no. 1 (2010): 10–51, http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/00918369.2011.534038.

[25] Ibid., 13.

[26] David M. Fergusson, L. John Horwood, and Annette L. Beautrais, “Is Sexual Orientation Related to Mental Health Problems and Suicidality in Young People?,” Archives of General Psychiatry 56, no. 10 (1999): 876–880, http://dx.doi.org/10.1001/archpsyc.56.10.876.

[27] Paul J.M. Van Kesteren et al., “Mortality and morbidity in transsexual subjects treated with cross-sex hormones,” Clinical Endocrinology 47, no. 3 (1997): 337–343, http://dx.doi.org/10.1046/j.1365-2265.1997.2601068.x.

[28] Friedemann Pfäfflin and Astrid Junge, Sex Reassignment: Thirty Years of International Follow-Up Studies After Sex Reassignment Surgery: A Comprehensive Review, 1961–1991, Roberta B. Jacobson and Alf B. Meier, trans. (Düsseldorf: Symposion Publishing, 199, https://web.archive.org/web/20070503090247/http://www.symposion.com/ijt/pfaefflin/1000.htm.

[29] Jean M. Dixen et al., “Psychosocial characteristics of applicants evaluated for surgical gender reassignment,” Archives of Sexual Behavior 13, no. 3 (1984): 269–276, http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/BF01541653.

[30] Robin M. Mathy, “Transgender Identity and Suicidality in a Nonclinical Sample: Sexual Orientation, Psychiatric History, and Compulsive Behaviors,” Journal of Psychology & Human Sexuality 14, no. 4 (2003): 47–65, http://dx.doi.org/10.1300/J056v14n04_03.


And that is just a small sample so please spare me from attacking a single study and stick to the link provided to you which cites multiple studies.




Stigma may affect non-heterosexual individuals’ decisions about whether to disclose or conceal their sexual orientation. LGBT people may decide to conceal their sexual orientation to protect themselves against possible bias or discrimination, to avoid a sense of shame, or to avoid a potential conflict between their social role and sexual desires or behaviors.[106] Particular contexts in which LGBT people may be more likely to conceal their sexual orientation include school, work, and other places in which they feel that disclosure could negatively affect the way that people regard them.


There is a large amount of evidence from psychological research indicating that concealment of an important aspect of one’s identity may have adverse mental health consequences. In general, expressing one’s emotions and sharing important aspects of one’s life with others play large roles in maintaining mental health.[107] Recent decades have seen a growing body of research on the relationships between concealment and disclosure and mental health in LGBT subpopulations.[108] For example, a 2007 study[109] by Belle Rose Ragins and colleagues of workplace concealment and disclosure in 534 LGB individuals found that fear of disclosing was associated with psychological strain and other outcomes such as job satisfaction. However, the study also challenged the notion that disclosure leads to positive psychological and social outcomes, since employees’ disclosure was not significantly associated with most of the outcome variables. The authors interpret this result by saying that “this study suggests that concealment may be a necessary and adaptive decision in an unsupportive or hostile environment, thus underscoring the importance of social context.”[110] Due to the relatively rapid changes in social acceptance of same-sex marriage and of same-sex relationships more broadly in recent decades,[111] it is possible that some of the research on the psychological effects of concealment and disclosure is outdated, because in general there may now be less pressure for those identifying as LGB to conceal their identities.


Hatzenbuehler and colleagues attempted to improve on this cross-sectional study by doing a prospective study, published in 2010, this time examining changes in psychiatric morbidity over the period in which certain states passed constitutional amendments defining marriage as a union between one man and one woman — amendments that were described by the study’s authors as “bans on gay marriage.”[114] The authors examined differences in psychiatric morbidity between Wave 1 of NESARC, which took place in 2001–2002, and Wave 2, which coincided with the 2004 and 2005 state-constitutional amendments. They observed that the prevalence in mood disorders in LGB respondents living in states that passed marriage amendments increased by 36.6% between Waves 1 and 2. Mood disorders for LGB respondents living in states that did not pass marriage amendments decreased by 23.6%, though this change was not statistically significant. The prevalence of certain disorders increased both in states that passed such amendments and in states that did not. Generalized anxiety disorder, for example, increased in both, but by a much larger and statistically significant magnitude in states that passed marriage amendments. Hatzenbuehler and colleagues found that drug-use disorders increased more in states that did not pass marriage amendments, and the increase was statistically significant only for those states. (Total substance abuse disorders increased in both cases, by a roughly similar amount.) As with the earlier cross-sectional study, for the majority of the psychiatric conditions investigated there were no significant correlations between the conditions and the social policies that were hypothesized to have an influence on mental health outcomes.


So once again there is plenty of causality in these studies proving that the effect of passing gay marriage laws or not does not make any sigifigant process in the mental health issues of homosexuals.


BTW, this isn't an isolated revelation.


“For years I’ve noticed the divergence between my straight friends and my gay friends. While one half of my social circle has disappeared into relationships, kids and suburbs, the other has struggled through isolation and anxiety, hard drugs and risky sex.” And this has continued, Hobbes observed, even though “the gay community has made more progress on legal and social acceptance than any other demographic group in history.”

Yet, he laments, “even as we celebrate the scale and speed of this change, the rates of depression, loneliness and substance abuse in the gay community remain stuck in the same place they’ve been for decades. Gay people are now, depending on the study, between 2 and 10 times more likely than straight people to take their own lives. We’re twice as likely to have a major depressive episode. And just like the last epidemic we lived through, the trauma appears to be concentrated among men. In a survey of gay men who recently arrived in New York City, three-quarters suffered from anxiety or depression, abused drugs or alcohol or were having risky sex—or some combination of the three.”

 

Con't

They even observe that social factors, stigma, prejudice, discrimination and even lonliness could be factors affecting these outcomes. But they never claim this as de facto proven because that's not what the study set out to do.


And he's gay himself so there goes your bullshit claim its because of big bad society. You can't blame everyone else for that community's mental problems.


https://townhall.com/columnists/mic...arriage-has-not-cured-gay-loneliness-n2294208

It could be anything. Less drug use, more parental involvement. Bottom line your study lied about a direct causation between the laws and the mental health issues of homosexuals.

Actually I did and it was rather easy when you exposed their dual faces in their conclusions.

Only one of over a dozen cited in my link which you ran away from.

Read that conclusion. It never said specifically homosexually fared better in marriage but anyone who was married which means the casation you are so desperate to find is polluted with heteroseuxal marriage which would be the overwhelming amount of elderly marriages.


Do you even know how dishonest that is or were you hoping I wouldn't notice?


From your other article:


"Conclusions and Relevance
State same-sex marriage policies were associated with a reduction in the proportion of high school students reporting suicide attempts, providing empirical evidence for an association between same-sex marriage policies and mental health outcomes".


Association is not causation. Please end your blatant dishonesty.

Then quote them. Don't hide behind an unsupported accusation.

lol sure you aren't.

So instead of rising above this name you find so hurtful you reciprocated. Exactly how does that give you the moral high ground?

The PM is a massive liberal. Please stop being so pathetically dishonest.

Quote me where I said the age of consent should be different for gays and straights. If you are going to make up my quotes be ready for them to be exposed.

Why am I not surprised.

Too bad he is using that argument to justify his pedophilia. He is suckering you in with an argument you find agreeable while you completely miss his ultimate goal of the article. To destigmatize pedophilia.

How are they different? Both wish to have sex with underage children. You actually think that helped your argument?

Despite his admitting it? Oh and there's this:

No because unlike you I read all of his comments:

Really. Please link to the stories they did of white supremists claiming they aren't bad or social conservatives who are pro abortion. Pathetic. Even for you to try and find find justification for them posting this.


And if they are so proud of it, why did they delete them? I would LOVE for you to man up and answer this one.


And if you need more examples of liberals defending pedos its easy to provide.


Yet, incredibly, Salon is by no means alone. In the aftermath of the Jimmy Savile scandal in the UK, the Guardian published a feature carrying the disturbing claim that there is “not even a full academic consensus on whether consensual paedophilic relations necessarily cause harm.” Even left-wing comedy websites are complaining about society’s “misunderstanding” of pedophiles, and their writers post pictures of their own children to pedophiles in “support” when the self-confessed perverts are outed.


http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1658-5-ways-were-making-pedophilia-worse.html


A liberal even posting pics of his own children to a self confessed pedophile.


http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...his-own-daughter-to-self-confessed-pedophile/


http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...essive-left-keeps-sticking-up-for-pedophiles/

I have no idea but he enjoys the overwhelming support of the LGBT community. did you see them revolt when he made those statements?


How do you explain the love affair with Harvey Milk? He was exposed by a gay reporter having sex with underage boys and the community you support fought to put him on a stamp. Why? Why would that community you support elevate a sexual predator of underage children? Where was the outrage from the gay community? Yet another example you can't explain away.

 

So even if you didn't think it was a metal illness, you'd lie about that here because you think that's necessary to demonise it. There doesn't seem to be any point trying to engage with you at all.