Nuclear energy is more expensive than renewables, CSIRO report finds

That was in response to all the claims that batteries will be placed to solve problems on power grids.

I had batteries in my transistor radio 5 decades ago. Does not mean they are going to solve power shortfall issues.

 

Oh great, an opinion piece. Let's see what else the authors have printed to see if I should pay it any attention?

https://www.reuters.com/business/me...ungarys-anti-lgbt-law-broadcaster-2021-06-16/

All the rest of their "articles" were basically about Anti-LGBTQ laws in Hungary.

OK, so half of the authorship should not be taken at all seriously when discussing something like nuclear power. What about the other one?

https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/f...by-underage-sex-abuse-allegations-2024-02-23/

https://www.reuters.com/sports/paris-hotels-triple-prices-olympics-opening-night-study-2024-01-03/

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/belgian-justice-minister-hot-water-over-pipigate-2023-09-07/

https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/f...ng-fish-bowls-they-drive-fish-mad-2022-01-22/

Honestly, I am weeping right now. But it is in laughter. Do you really think that an obvious opinion piece by two individuals that apparently have no science experience is supposed to mean a damned thing?

There is a very specific reason why for over a decade here I have been telling people to "vet their sources". And you provided a perfect example of why this should be done. Neither one of those authors should be taken at all seriously in an opinion piece of that nature.

 

Well bubba, the article isn’t a Fox News piece. It’s based upon
the annual World Nuclear Industry Status Report (WNISR)…
You have better info ? Tell us your source.

 

Nuclear is 10 times the cost to build as some renewables.
https://www.energysage.com/about-clean-energy/nuclear-energy/solar-vs-nuclear/

 

More ?

 

Hornsdale battery in South Australia proved there is money to be made linking batteries into the grid with renewables. If nothing else they buy time for gas generators to come online if the sun don’t shine and the wind don’t blow.

 

Sigh! Do some research please. I am talking massive grid scale such as the Hornsdale battery array in South Australia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hornsdale_Power_Reserve

Grid batteries are going in NOW because they save money for the consumer whilst making money for the provider - win/win

 

Deflection

 

What does that matter? Other than showing off your own bias.

 

At a cost of around $100 million, which can power 75 minutes of power to 30,000 homes. Now do the math, how many of those and what is the cost to do that in say Los Angeles? Seattle? Boise?

It is a "solution", just not a practical one. For LA to have similar coverage, that would require at least 50 of them.

Oh, and those batteries only have a lifespan of around 15 years. So that means that every decade and a half, another $100 million will need to be shelled out (not factoring in inflation). And not factoring in the costs of disposing of them because they are hazardous waste.

So tell me again how that is really a good solution for anything other than PR?

 

*laughs*

Coming from somebody that regularly rejects anything you do not like, that is actually rather funny.

Yet, you have no problem accepting "information" from an opinion piece written by people that before only commented in LGBT stories and public interest stories?

Pardon me, your bias is showing.

 

Didn’t read about it did you?

 

Did it not cost almost $100 million? Does it not supply around 30,000 homes with power for 75 minutes? Do the batteries not have a lifespan of 15 years?

What exactly did I say that is incorrect? As usual, you do not actually discuss the facts and do some weird kind of spin instead.

 

As opposed to the what, the nearly 6 trillion in subsidies for oil companies world wide ? That’s pretty cheap. Factual deniers complain about the millions spent on alternate energy costs when oil and gas gets trillions…that’s delusional…

 

Batteries are short term power storage . Long term include pumped
Hydro. You act like Battery’s and other power storage means aren’t already used for intermittent power sources.

 

What part of “until the gas power comes online” is difficult? It amazes me that somehow you have glommed onto one part of the information but ignored the rest. It is not total storage - that will have to wait for the deployment of redox batteries or pumped hydro or green hydrogen.

 

I don't have a coal mine in my basement. California is pushing solar owners off the grid, intended them to put these hazards in their homes.

 

The largest Vanadium battery in the US can power 66 Bonita consumers for 5 hours.

https://www.power-grid.com/energy-s...flow-battery-in-zero-emission-microgrid/#gref

In one of SDG&E/SEI test runs, the 2MW/8MWh VRF battery – functioning as part of a microgrid – powered 66 residential and commercial customers for close to five hours, according to the companies.

There are 4,391 households in Bonita. Capacity in Bonita will need to increase by a factor of 226 to power them for the 17 hours that the solar installations aren't producing. The solar installations are just barely meeting demand by themselves during their production cycle. They will need to triple in order to have capacity to charge the batteries during the day.

Here's the site of the installation:

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.6788786,-116.9798568,487m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu

Where should they put the future installations?

 

What part of "These are incredibly expensive and only last for 15 years" is difficult?

 

And this is the “Impossible expectations” of the standard denialist algorithm

 

Ooooh! The bit where it has paid itself off and has been making a handsome profit

 

I would ask “what hazards” but I think you are labouring under the delusion that all batteries must be lithium. Also there are distinct advantages to decentralising the grid.

 

Huh?

It's math. Are you suggesting math is impossible?

 

No I am suggesting you are using a false equivalency.

 

The system has to be equivalent or superior to our existing system, does it not? Or are you suggesting that people should just not have power from 10pm to 9AM when the solar comes back online?