Number of federal wiretaps rose 71 percent in 2012 - Obama or Orwell?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...fde292-e032-11e2-963a-72d740e88c12_story.html

The number of wiretaps secured in federal criminal investigations jumped 71 percent in 2012 over the previous year, according to newly released figures.

Federal courts authorized 1,354 interception orders for wire, oral and electronic communications, up from 792 the previous year, according to the figures, released Friday by the Administrative Office of the United States Courts. There was a 5 percent increase in state and local use of wiretaps in the same period. ​

So who is worse. Barack Obama who has the Federal Government collect every single email, phone call, and text... who also has journalists tracked and named as "Co-Conspirator" and an agent of espionage... or George Orwell?

It's getting closer and closer each and every day.

 

i don't think you have a clue what orwell was talking and writing about

 

Never read 1984, I see.

 

You know better. Hasn't added a worthwhile word to any thread ever.

 

I think I understand what your saying, but George Orwell was an author. He wrote books. Very prophetic books it turns out, about 50 years ahead of their time.

But as a "voice" or messenger, he, himself cannot be considered evil or bad, merely the idea man.

Bush/Obama though, are another matter. It is indeed Orwellian that Obama would tremendously expand spying on civilians in the name of personal freedoms....

But we also need to look at Animal Farm, that delightful poke at all governance and the promises of change. Pay a lot of attention to what the animals paint on the wall of the barn, and how that changes during the administration of the pigs/democrats. And then ask yourself what happened to "hope and change" {I am astonished at the simpletons in the US who BUY into cheap, meaningless slogans].

Oh, yes, it is an orgy of metaphors. But in the end, it seems the American people really like the whole Orwellian philosophy. I mean the "war on terror" is the most popular war in the history of the nation...you simply can't get enough pat downs, spying, concentration camps,water boarding, drone attacks, and speeches in the name of protecting your precious "freedoms".

And now its a feeding frenzy of those who try to spill the beans are deemed "traitors" with "blood on their hands" and convicted in the court of public opinion by an administration whose only asset is public relations and media manipulation. The cruel beating death of a career civil servant becomes a joke with the ludicrous excuse that it was a result of a spontaneous demonstration because of a video those involved could never have seen....and American morons believe it to this day.


It is definitely Orwellian when you're championing the secret arrest and imprisonment of your neighbor, the wire taps on your phone and the machine gun toting security "agents" in the street because you want to protect your "freedom."

American has forgotten what freedom really is.....and obviously not enough of you have read Orwell.....He was a prophet not a dictator. His works are art, not evil.

 

It's also an endless war. Obama attempted to declare it over and was ridiculed by the thinking folks outside of the Jurassic press.

We have always been at war with Eurasia.

 

That would mean terrorism has raised by 71 percent under Obama. Because he is only wiretapping the terrorist. His war on terror isn't working if terrorist rise 71 percent then.

 

Lol.....I liked the wall of alphanumeric code better. I think that's how progressive brains may translate words and ideas that expose or don't comport with dogma.

 

Have you a source on that?

I find it hard to believe since he has been so incredibly effective in capitalizing on the popularity of the war. He, after all, is the only president to have ever take personal credit for a war victory - "I killed bin Laden" and he has greatly expanded the covert operations both in the hot zones and elsewhere. I saw an item that speculates that there are 300 secret drone bases in North Africa running missions against "terrorists"

If he did say that, I suspect it was a rare rookie mistake on his part.

But yes, sadly, the war on terror will not be over in my lifetime, which saddens me. I spent five years trowing tear gas back at the national guard in the 60's and 70's in the hopes this would no happen.

However, racism, fear and hate are simply too powerful in the hands of master manipulators like Bonaparte, Bush, and Obama.

 

your delusions aren't seeing

i read 'nineteen eighty four' in 1972

what a lie

 

Unfortunately we get reminders from time to time how serious this issue is (Boston Marathon bombing). And yet, in the name of "security" we have undoubtedly given up much in the way of freedoms.
And undoubtedly, government is not nuanced or subtle so when we find the government has been crapping all over the 4th Amendment needlessly, it's important to speak up and make government account for it's unwarranted actions.

It's disheartening to see so many Americans so eager to surrender their rights when it's totally needless.

 

It was an address two weeks ago. No question, the war on terror was just about over.

 

Actually if you think about it, this is the greatest war failure in the history of the United States.

For 13 years the United States has been waging a war with the most advanced weaponry on the planet, the best fed, best trained, most well armed and well supported soldiers in the history of the universe. This war is being wages in the backward, third world, primitive society against an unorganized enemy forced to use improvised weapons, graze for food living in caves.

And there is no end in sight.

Now even an incompetent like Lincoln or Carter would know that it's not working..well maybe not. Carter still hasn't figured out he is the biggest loser in history and Lincoln took five years to end a war that should have been over in a few months.

But really, you point is excellent. If they are only spying on, arresting, torturing and killing terrorists sooner or later you either run out of terrorists or realize what you're doing is not working.

Frankly, I suspect they are deliberately making new terrorists. War, after all, has always been America's forte, her best industry.

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I had to put him on ignore...he was harassing me, trolling through private message. Now THAT is about the creepiest I've encountered on these forums.

 

That is because we no longer know how to wage war.... we let politicos get involved instead of handing them the reigns when the military is done.

Back on topic.

Here was have Barack Obama who has won the "Transparency Award"... attacking our freedoms and spying on the U.S. Citizens more than any president in our history. The only thing transparent anymore is our personal information and views and how incredibly authoritarian Barack Obama's administration truly is.

 

what a bunch of malarkey

you put me on ignore because i caught you in a lie and you couldn't deal with it

 

Interestingly, it seems the war on terror gets expanded on the international front because of random violence that a deliberately paranoid people perceive as religious or political terror.

In fact, an overwhelming amount of America's terror is homegrown.

 

A desperate cry for attention, undoubtedly. Unfortunately he isn't the only "special" poster we have to endure.

In the ancient world a nation that tried to "terrorize" an empire like Rome would find that it's population had all been killed, scattered or made slaves.
It's cities would have been burned to the ground. It's crops destroyed and it's fields made sterile (as Carthage discovered).
This is no longer an option and a determined foe willing to commit any outrage or atrocity (like at the Munich Olympics on black Friday) can cause
the western world great concern.
So while it seems like the elephant fears the mouse that does a great disservice to the mouse.

 

you're projecting

 

Holy Crap! If this is your level of debate EVERYONE should put you on ignore... please quit trolling and contribute or go away.

Re-read what you just posted. It adds NOTHING.

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This too... adds nothing.

 

what does this add?

on page one i said i don't think you have a clue what orwell was saying or writing about

you still haven't shown that you do

 

Either get on topic or go away. You still contribute zero and continue to troll.

 

I'm so glad everyone else is seeing this guy for what he is. He deserves the troll tag.

 

There has been a 71 percent raise in terrorism in the Obama watch.

 

or is it a 71% increase in nailing terrorists?

the topic is orwell or obama, so i'm on topic

i'm saying i don't think you have a clue what orwell was talking and writing about

 

I once believed in my youth that we had progressed beyond Rome and Carthage, the need for crucifixions [it was the reserved punishment for enemies of the Emperor] but I have to seriously doubt that. Shortly after the Afghan invasion I read a piece from a retired British intelligence officer who had spent 15 years in Afghanistan. He made a very believable case for there having been no need for an invasion, that they knew where was the Taliban and Al Qaida and a medium sized expeditionary force of British Special forces and Navy Seals could have had it all done in 9 months.

I am firmly convinced that the war was waged to appease the American appetite for revenge.....one of the reasons it remains the most popular war in the history of the United States' long sorry history of wars.