Obama; “I have had MY military and our team look at a wide range of options.”

Though is there not some truth to his comment. By all reports moral is high in the services, the troops are confident and seem to believe in the missions they are assigned. To me that is a sign that they have confidence in their CIC to listen to his professional soldiers and follow their advice.

 

Or your just making a massive mountain out of a tiny molehill. Like c'mon, making complete psychological assessments based on a single turn of a phrase? Maybe try and concentrate on the actual problems of the administration rather then posting inane stuff like this and people might be more inclined to listen.

 

In the units I served with morale was something based upon the squad or even company level in terms of leadership, as that is who we dealt with and understood. Although when a new division or even corp commander came in that was someone of note, it did lift spirits. Tommy Franks had that ability as well as a few others most people never heard of...

 

Based upon how Obama has treated the military, I don't think its such a case. Unless a whole lot has truly change, I can't imagine the troops have a lot of faith in this guy...

I can't imagine a single unit I was ever in having faith in a so-called leader such as him...

 

whoahhh junior,Bush GOT congressional approval for afghanistan and iraq....

 

With Obama? Before they gave him Nobel Peace Prize, I thought better of it, too.

Look, Obama is a paper tiger, a campaigner-in-chief, a weakling. He does not make decisions. There's a shiksa named Valerie, who makes an important decisions. Sometimes when she's busy, his speechwriter makes decisions.

Scary staff, is it not? Well, it should be.

 

I doubt any ground troop soldier has any real faith in politicians, including the President, no matter who he is. That disconnect is the best/worst part of the military structure. Guys at the top don't really think about the guys at the bottom, other then how they can fulfill whatever idea or design they need to accomplish. The ground troops job is to have faith in his commanding officer, not the guy at the top of the chain.

 

You have such a personal insight into the inner-workings of the Oval Office. You should write a book or something.

 

Lol... hilarious. President Obama has spent his time in office cleaning up the messes of the previous administration including withdrawing us fro the TWO wars that one President dropped us into.

 

That is just not true. The troops worshipped Reagan, and both Bushes. They despised Clinton, and now Obama. Vietnam was such a disaster because of politicians. The troops, many draftees, had no faith in their leaders. Fraggings and drugs, such are the symptoms of such. The military was a disaster during and after Vietnam.

But we have certainly had many conflicts where the troops believed in their CIC.

It makes a huge difference.

 

When you are sitting on the tarmac its because someone made a decision, and whether or not you have faith in that decision will have an impact on the overall mission...

 

Plenty of reading out there already.

Anything else * to say?

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Trying his hardest to start a new is great evidence of that...

 

People like Reggie Love do offer us a glimpse into the real Obama's White House. And it ain't pretty. And scary.

 

Not if he attacks Syria. We will have three years to ride you lefties for blatant hypocrisy. And I promise you, it will be relentless. If I were you guys I would get your anti war signs out.. which to no ones surprise are non existent even though owebama is doing the same thing you lefties ripped Bushs flesh off for. Werent some lefties on here still calling for his arrest btw?

 

I doubt highly that any President has had uniform support or hatred by any set of troops. Military friendly Presidents will undoubtedly have higher support, and those who cut will have less. And While Bush Jr may have had everyone frothing at the bit in 03, by 06-7 those tides had shifted dramatically.

But I definitely agree with you about Vietnam. What a clusterf*ck.

 

Its not uniform, as in 100%, but the problem arises when any quantity loses confidence. Clinton and Obama have not had the confidence of the military at all. Not close.

I agree that Bush had less in the end than when he started, but he still had more respect at the end than Obama has ever had.

We agree on Vietnam, but then it runs contrary to your earlier post. Troops know bad missions. They know when they are not getting the proper support. They know when its time to leave.

 

Yeah, the faith in the system in which the order originated, and the guy who gave you the order. If it was Obama, then sure, I can understand the point of view. But not every order comes from him.

Had to look him up. So his big deal was the Obama played cards during the OBL raid? That's it? The way you played it up I expected something more salacious.

 

Leave? Wait so troops get to disobey orders they don't have faith in (right or wrong)? The way Vietnam played out doesn't support that. Everyone knew it was a lost cause long before troops were pulled out. Heck, everyone thought it was over until Nixon scuttled the peace talks. You can have as much faith as you want, but in the end, the majority are going to fulfill the orders given.

 

It's his second term kid,any 'messes' are all his by now.

And it was ONE war

 

The emperor has spoken!

 

Look. With all due respect. You haven't served, you are not American, and I doubt you were even born while the US had troops in Nam. Correct me where wrong.

If you had a clue about actual combat, you would know that many troops do not follow orders where they believe it a lost cause, or foolish, or just plain don't care. The Civil war is fraught with troops who ran away en mass in the face of the enemy. Who told their commanders to get (*)(*)(*)(*)ed. Vietnam was full of troops who were too stoned to fight. Conscripts had a lot to do with that.

You truly do not know what you are talking about.

 

I think being outraged over a single possessive or plural possessive determiner detracts from actual debate on the topic of Syria.

Now, in actuality, it was a joint press conference with the president of another country. Should he have said Our military when appearing with the leader of another nation? I don't think so. I think the correct term would have been my military.

 

Right on all counts.

I think your confusing what I am saying. I never said that Troops won't disobey orders they believe to be foolish or a lost cause. I am saying that those who did faced consequences. Over 300 'Combat Refusal' Convictions between 68 and 70. Over 500 fraggings in a 2 year time. The whole thing was severely f*cked up.

Look, I'm not trying to insult the military or anyone who has served. I do have family members who have served many tours in the Canadian army, and I have nothing but respect for what they do. I hope you can see that.

 

Trust, I do not see you disrespecting the soldiers. America does now possess the most professional military in the world. In part because it is all volunteer, and in part because we have been able to separate ourselves with technology from all foes in the last 30 years or so. No one can meet us on an "even playing field", and that surely plays directly into confidence with our troops.

But "following orders" is not some finite concept, and morale and the well-being of your military goes far beyond that measure. Does one follow your orders with 100% professionalism, or do you half-ass them ? The confidence between a CIC and "his" military is measured in large scale in such as reenlistment rates, and other more internal military measures. Its not so much about a daily order given in Afghanistan. Its about the commitment of a soldier who has to leave his family again for a year to go fight a War that he believes the political leaders do not care to win.

While Obama has pledged "no boots on the ground", I don't care how painless he hopes to keep it. We have zero business endangering even one American soldier (airman, etc) just because Obama drew his ill-advised red line, and now has a bruised ego and looks the fool. Every member of the Military knows this. This is not our fight. Further, the mission sucks. If we go in, we either go in to compel one side to win, or we stay out.

Everything Obama is retarded beyond belief. He's a first rate tenderfoot in a job that requires true men of experience and wisdom. He is a complete and unadulterated jackass. May God strike me dead if I am lying.

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