Obama: 'New York girlfriend' was a composite character (in other words, he lied)

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  1. Blackrook

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    http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/05/obama-ny-girlfriend-was-composite-character-122272.html
    The use of composite characters is perfectly acceptable in a movie or a work of fiction, but its use is totally unethical in a work that purports to be an autobiography.

    The simple fact is this: Obama's book "Dreams of My Father" is a fictional work. We will never really know what happened in his life because he has turned reality into fiction.

    The fact that Obama is unethical is not a surprise to me and its not even a surprise to his fawning supporters, who don't care about his lack of ethics because they laugh at the concept of ethics.

    But now I await the usual suspects to rush to Obama's defense, even now that Obama has been caught in a lie.

    This will be fun to watch. I'm getting out the popcorn.
     
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    If anything the mysterious woman was probably Rahm before he cut his hair.
     
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    Its acceptsble in a memoir as well... Its called respectful... Its called discretion.
     
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    So you think it would have been better for him to have named his girlfriends by name and violate their privacy?
     
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    If you are using composite characters and fictionalizing events, you have to say so in the preface.

    Otherwise, you are presenting the story as fact and that's unethical.

    Margot, as always, you are on the wrong side of this.
     
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    If you want to include stories about a living private person in an autobiography or biography, you typically get them to sign a waiver. If they refuse to sign the waiver, you leave them out. That's the ethical approach to this problem.
     
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    From your own quoted article:

    "In fact, Obama acknowledged the use of composite characters in the first edition of the book."

    Exactly how is it a lie, when he himself acknowledged in the book that he used composite characters?

    If you still don't really know what happened in Barack Obama's life, then you are deliberately remaining ignorant. There are interviews from people available online from people in every stage of his life. We know as much or more about Barack Obama than we did about Bush and that we know about Romney. It is not as if you want to know more about Obama....all you want is information to reinforce your already formed opinion.
     
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    Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). If he left them out, then this would be an article claiming that Obama is trying to hide his past relationships and underhandedly claiming that he might actually be gay.

    This just another faux outrage piece for the Rightwing circle jerk artists.
     
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    How many books did you say that you have written, rook?
     
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    Its ok. Just turn your head and look away. Obama can do no wrong. FORWARD!
     
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    And Obama did just that

    From your quote:

    CORRECTION: An earlier version of this blog post stated that Obama had acknowledged using composite characters in the reissue. In fact, Obama acknowledged the use of composite characters in the first edition of the book.
     
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    So he lied, than he acknowledged that he lied?
     
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    On the plus side....this addresses all of the people who were outraged that no Obama girlfriends had been identified or had spoken ill of him.

    Now a girlfriend has been identified. And still hasn't spoken ill of him.
     
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    The use of composite characters in an autobiography is suspicious even when you are acknowledging you're doing it. People rely on this book and think it is the truth about Obama's life.

    The fact is, "Dreams of My Father" is nothing more than a work of fiction portraying Obama's life as he wants us to think it is.

    Furthermore, Obama did not even write it, Bill Ayers wrote it, as he has acknowledged. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-s...-second-time-he-wrote-obamas-dreams-my-father

    While the use of a ghost writer is typical for politicians, it is customary to give them credit and a share of the royalties, which Obama did not.

    So Obama is unethical in several ways: using composite characters in what's supposed to be an autobiography, and screwing Bill Ayers out of credit and royalties.
     
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    No one has ever claimed that Obama was abusive to women, or treated them badly. Obama seems to be an excellent husband to Michelle and a good father.

    But you are changing the subject, which is typical liberal tactics 101 when faced with an uncomfortable truth.

    The fact is, Obama has kept many secrets from the American people, and now we realize his stories about his girlfriends are nothing more than fiction. There is no way to tell if any of his book is true.
     
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    Translation: (*)(*)(*)(*), my initial claim has been destroyed! What do I do? Ah ha! Lie for Jesus! Quick deflect to Bill Ayers while not acknowledging that my initial claims are false!
     
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    Worth repeating.. Rook is just being Rook...........
     
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    I did acknowledge what you said, you weren't paying attention.

    However, the use of composite characters, even when acknowledged, is unethical while writing an autobiography, especially when you are a politician who is using that autobiography as a platform to launch your political career.

    Not everyone reads a preface, not everyone understands what a composite character is, not everyone is clear on the difference between truth and fiction.

    Obama has misled millions of people into thinking he had a white girlfriend in New York who got upset when he took her to a play about black people. Now it turns out that isn't true. And who knows what else in the book is not true?

    If Obama was a Republican, no one would defend him for this. He would be forced to resign in shame over something like this.

    But because he's a Democrat, he is given a pass on his lack of ethics and honesty.
     
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    Lie? Why would someone write a story about their life, of actual events, and then put things in there that weren't true?
     
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    Wow.. he used a composite character in a book about himself... So Fuoking what. This on the same level as "!!Obama ate a dog!!!
     
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    Because he didn't want to violate his ex's right to privacy, probably. The composite was a way to talk about his relationships without having to bring these women into the spotlight.

    But I guess you would prefer that he violate their privacy and subject them to a media circus.
     
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    The purpose of the story is to show that white people do not understand why black people are angry, and furthermore, can never understand.

    Obama is dog whistling to his black base with this story. He is telling them he understands them, and white people don't. The story is a parable, nothing more.

    There is no way to know whether or not it really happened. There is a good chance it is complete fiction, and never happened. How can we tell because Obama has no scruples about telling lies when it suits him.
     
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    This shows we know nothing of this guy even his so called autobiography is a lie. We know when Obama is lying, whenever he is talking..
     
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    I had no idea that you were an expert on autobiographical ethics. Where did you get this degree? How many books have you written on the topic?

    Ah, so the problem is that Rightwingers are idiots. We knew that already.

    The event is true, the person that the event happened with was kept secret so as to maintain her privacy.

    Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). You guys won't even denounce Ted Nugett for threatening a sitting president.
     
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    Only in the Bizarro World of the extreme Right.....in the Real World, saying that in the book that the book contains composite characters- and then having the audacity to actually have composite characters- is not a lie.
     

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