Obama professed change we could believe in ... right on. The system changed Obama

Obama turned into a stooge of the system.

The military are ready to bomb another country and have their fingers on the trigger and have nudged Obama for the go. You can believe that Obama will give his consent because he has no balls.

The Pentagon takes possession of an incoming POTUS's gonads and they disappear forever.

Obama became a total stooge of the system and the only change we can believe in is that the system changed Obama into a mini-me of George W Bush.

 

You're exaggerating. Obama could not keep every promise and certainly political realities affected his agenda... but he has definitely accomplished a great deal in the eyes of many.

 

Obama is the same, just sadly he did not have the numbers in congress needed for the change the people wanted

but he has accomplished a lot considering the hand he was dealt....


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Obama disappointed many, including me. I don't know what happens when these guys get into office, but it must be some heavy sheet, cause they morph into something else. The system is so unbelievably corrupt, I don't think anybody that gets there is anything but a puppet now. Obama's still exponentially better than any Republican offering could dream of being but, he's definitely gotten sucked into the system. Must be some serious blackmail going on when you get in there.

 

Agreed, but, I'm not so sure it's actual blackmail. I think it's just "finally, we get to see the real truth" - only, they don't end up liking what they see. So the first thing they try to do is change it - and that's when the problems start. All of a sudden everyone's telling them "you can't do that", and when they try to appoint someone who could actually get the job done, suddenly everyone's promising to torpedo the nomination and no one wants to support your agenda anymore. You quickly discover the reality, which is that you're not in charge. Someone else is in charge. It's kind of like accepting a job before you really understand what it's all about - you get to the job site expecting to be an engineer, and someone gives you a little test jig and says "QA engineer, that's what we meant". You know, like you're not actually designing anything, you're just testing and approving other peoples' stuff.

 

Its more like POTUS has to legalize the crimes of others because he has no real control over the machinery of state and to not legalize will cause public relations catastrophe.

 

Campaign slogans and normal political broken promises aside. Anyone who gets elected president will already have been approved by those that really control the US. The amount of money required to progress through the primaries and general election insure that only those approved by the real decision makers have a chance. "Change you can believe in" like "compassionate conservatism" is just to give hope to the overly optimistic.

 

Obama just said wishy washy non specific things so you all could see whatever you wanted in him. You never knew a different Obama, it is just that you are now seeing past the rhetoric.

 

Obama's faults are that, early on, he attempted to change the way of doing business in Washington. Such a system cannot be changed from within, only from without.

Obama is a stooge of the system, but not of the military, anyone who has read memoirs of commanders knows that any commander dreads the possibility of having to send their men and women to war. The United States military routinely updates strike contingencies for trouble spots to ensure that if military action is required, the action is undertaken in as efficient and effective a way as possible and to ensure there is as minimal loss of human life, civilian or military, as possible.

Many military men have acknowledged that they love the adrenaline rush of combat but many of them, such as General Chuck Horner, a veteran of Vietnam and the commander of Coalition air assets during Desert Storm have expressed a deep hatred for the institution of war. In an interview while he was still in the Navy for the History Channel, Randy "Duke" Cunningham talked about the events of 10 May 1972 and the aftermath. That day, he became the first US Navy fighter ace of the Vietnam War. Upon returning to the boat, Duke went to his chaplain, talking about whether or not he should feel remorse for likely killing so many people. The chaplain said that, had he not felt remorse, the chaplain himself, would have recommended to Duke's commander that he be removed from flight status.

Also, the struggles Duke faced after the action of 10 May was incorporated into Top Gun, a movie with characters loosely based upon Duke and his Radar Intercept Office, Willie "Irish" Driscoll. The scene with "Cougar" turning in his wings illustrates the very real struggle some fighter pilots have with the stress of their job. As some have said, when a fighter pilot gets a kill, he tries only to think about the plane, not the poor, shot up bastard trying to eject from the plane before he blacks out. Such issues are why fighter pilots are famous or infamous for their community reverence for alcohol.

The United States Military is under civilian control, and cannot act without the go-ahead from the civilian government leadership. Despite many assertions to the contrary, the United States military finds bloodthirsty soldiers counterproductive to their goals. There have been several cases of forced separations from the military based on adverse psychological workups. Sociopathy and psychopathy have no place within the framework of the United States military.

 

Instead of being a stooge, couldn't he have always been that way and just fooled enough simpletons to get elected?

 

There is a change, at bush's time US fought against muslim fundamentalists, now US fight with muslim fundamentalists.

 

They all say whatever the heck they want in order to get elected. Bar none. Every candidate is pure rhetoric. All you can try and do it keep the worst of the two parties out of power, that is, the GOP.

 

Oh gawd.

One of the great mysteries of the universe that Stephan Hawking should focus upon is why people don't realize that when Obama ran for President, he was already a "stooge of the system". You guys just don't get it- none of them are good, but the human race's capacity to compartmentalize is just amazing. You cheer for one, you cheer for evil. Clinton...Bush...Obama. All the same fecal matter.

Yes, you cheer for (*)(*)(*)(*). When you support a Democrat, or when you support a Republican, you literally are cheering for (*)(*)(*)(*).

 

I'm sad that so many were disappointed by Obama, but a few truths must be remembered -

People pursue political power because they want to use it, because they believe in it. No one would do all that it takes to become President today who was modest about exercising power. In foreign policy, that means wars, the threat of wars, and espionage. No pacifist will ever be elected President. Most human beings, including Americans, want a "strong" country. That means a country with intimidating military might.

Obama has met intense opposition (many would say not nearly intense enough) over his domestic agenda. I think the problem there is a naive idea of what "change" means, a naive idea that Obama may well share. Real change can only come from the people. Leaders may facilitate change once it's underway. They may suggest directions and make specific proposals about how desired changes can be put into practice. But this assumes the people are ready for a change and longing for a leader to make that change tangible.

What no leader can ever do, and woe to leaders who try, is force a change on the people that most of them don't want. There are too many ways the people can resist, from quiet subversion through protest and ending in revolution. In the distant past, the peasantry may have bowed before the will of kings, but all that has changed. Now people have the information and resources to stand against tyranny. They do so all over the world.

But there persists a naive idea among those who get dewy-eyed at the thought of power, that change can begin at the top, that the leader can issue commands and that the power of his words alone can transform life. That has never been and can never be. Those power-worshipers are making gods of their politicians. Of course many politicians further this delusion because it helps them get elected. They tell people that all it will take to create Utopia and return to the Garden of Eden is ... to elect them. How convenient for the politician! It's sad and amusing to see the campaign workers assuring everyone that life will be good if only Pol X is elected.

But the pols themselves are supposed to know better. They're supposed to understand that they're just telling lies to get elected. But a few of them fall pray to their own rhetoric. They come to believe their words can change the tides and turn water into wine. I think Obama is one of them. He made a compact with millions of naive voters: vote for him and the left's vision of a just society would be made manifest. The voters could only be disappointed because for every believer in the values of the left, there are many more who hold those values as unworthy and impractical. This being a democracy, the people speak. They may like Obama, but enough understand the quixotic nature of his policies to oppose him on specific issues. His greatest triumph - Obamacare - may be his undoing as people look closer and closer at its destructive details.

So Obama is a power hungry politician - more hungry than most - who wants to impose his personal opinions on the country, even if that means undermining the Constitution and law, and in so doing denying the rights of the people. The bottom line is that this is impossible to do. No leader can or should have the ability to shape everything.

Obama hasn't changed. What's happened is that many who voted for him in 2008 are waking to the fact that it's a big world in which not everyone wants what they want, and that not even the President can make change by force. It's those voters who have changed.

 

Uhhh... ya think?.

 

2 rednecks playing mental pingpong with lose-lose strategy.

 

Heh! You're just embarrassed because you were one of the people fooled by Obama.

 

I'm pretty sure we're less "embarrassed' than those on the right that supported their last President. That's a whole different level of embarrassment there.

 

We keep telling them all their economic ideas are backwards, all their politicians wannabe tyrants etc.. and then they get all "but those weren't the results I voted for", and then go right on doing the same thing, moving on to the next crusade without fixing the mess they caused. Look at Social Security for instance, now we are trapped with that. Obamacare too, and whatever other programs they can add that cost more and dont work the way they were sold. More "sacred cows" that no one could possible live without, because the government took all the money they could have bought the service with.

 

I disagree. I believe Obama has always been an establishment thug. That "hope and change" and other nonsense was just dishonest marketing hype.

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Now that's funny, given you're the one who actually believed the Obama hype and that he is a victim of the system.

What an absolute HOOT!!!!

 

I believe that we are not losing 750,000 jobs per month or having to bail out the biggest money changers anymore. That's change I can believe in, by golly.

 

I remember discussing Obamacare with a liberal before it passed and I was insisting it would be a financial disaster, while she relied on the CBO Report (since revised many times to agree with me) that it would be a budget miracle worker. I asked if liberals knew how to provide affordable healthcare by the government, why couldn't they fix Medicare first to prove it?

As you can imagine, not interested. Once it's passed, the finances don't matter. On to the next program.

 

Ummm.... Obama voted to bail out the biggest money changers. You DO realize that, don't you? Oh and regarding the 750,000 jobs per month. Nice simple line, but ignores Obama's promises on the unemployment rate. And then of course there's his trail of other broken promises on the deficit, Gitmo, transparency, etc etc etc.

 

What kills me is the Medicare question is common sense, timely, relaxant and a knock out punch. Where was our "press"?

 

Bush wasn't worshipped as the Muad'Dib by the right. You guys are into cults of personality and it hurts you guys more when your god fails.