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Obamacare blamed for killing hospitals

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by timslash, Dec 15, 2014.

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  1. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It was a Bi-Partisan bill passed with Democrats help in Both Houses.

    Obama did the same thing to get drug companies on board for Obama Care. Medications that have been proven safe in the test of time like Colchicine. It's been around since the 1970's with no problems.

    My cost for this Medication went from $2.70 for 30 tablets (3 required for a flare up) to $145.50. With my Obama Care insurance, since NO generic exists my cost is $75. Colchicine isn't the only medication the Obama administration dropped the public's pants for.
     
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    A suspect isn't a scapegoat. Scapegoats are a necessity for people in power. That would be the king and his courtiers.

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    That's right. Plant your crops in downtown L.A. and graze your cattle in Central Park. It's a shame liberals deny reality so much they've forgotten what it looks like.

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    You mean they stopped us from having the health care that England, Cuba, and Venezuela have?
     
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  4. perotista

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    We have had 4 hospitals close over the last two years in Georgia. Whether that was a result of Obamacare or something I really do not know. My county's hospital looked like it would close until it was bought out by one of those big hospital chains. It seems for some reason a whole lot of local hospitals are being bought up by these huge hospital chains.
     
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    Seems the only reality impaired folks are those who think farming is still done by Ma and Pa Kettle. Hello! The mailbox reads Archer Daniels, not Mr. & Mrs Kettle.:roflol:
     
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    That is more than likely because a lot of insurance carriers are buying up providers, such as hospitals, because that way they have greater control of the costs, which is what the ACA is forcing everyone to do...make health care more efficient.
     
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    And some will die too.
     
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    THIS IS THE REASON HOSPITALS ARE CLOSING IN GEORGIA; http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/georgias-deal-tighten-er-access Watch the entire video, and you will no longer need to guess why your hospitals are closing.
     
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    They don't know what they are for. That is the problem
     
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    I don't know. Could be. All I know is my county hospital was kind of folksy and kind before. Now since the take over it is more like take a number and wait in line. More efficient, most likely so. But it is like dealing with robots than with kind old doctors.
     
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    I don't trust Rachel Maddow anymore than I would Rush Limbaugh. Both are hip deep in political agendas. Neither would ever tell the truth about anything. Both are only interested in pushing their political ideology.
     
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    If you don't believe her, do your own research on the subject. By the way, it is true. Rural hospitals in Ga. are closing for that exact reason.
     
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    You may be right, I really do not know. But taking something from an OPINION page - plus
    Editor's note: Sally Kohn is a progressive activist, columnist and television commentator. Follow her on Twitter at [MENTION=3122]Sally[/MENTION]kohn.

    Now that is a disclaimer. I do get tired of getting hit upside the head by both sides of this thing. It is always blame the other guy. Not that I trust the Republicans either. I'm just full up to my neck in the propaganda both side spew. Obamacare is with us and it is the law of the land.

    In my opinion what needs to be done is to increase the medicaid reimbursement rate. Make it so doctors and hospitals do not lose money when they accept a medicaid patient. But like so many others, this is just an opinion.
     
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    No, I'm not following anyone on twitter. I'm looking at the facts as they are presented. Deal and McCrory have made a conscience decision to not accept medicaid expansion. That is a fact. Some hospitals cannot keep their doors open based on that fact. Talking about progressives isn't going to make that fact go away, unless you research for yourself whether it is true or not. The question you should ask yourself is, do I really want to know the truth, instead of retreating to the Maddow/progressive fall back without exploring what is true or not.
     
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    All I know is we had no hospitals closing until the ACA was passed. In one of your articles, the CNN one had this: When the Affordable Care Act was originally passed, subsidies to hospitals with large uninsured "charity care" populations were cut,

    So the ACA by cutting funds is just as responsible for the closings and the governors for not accepting the expansion of medicaid. It, the closing of rural hospital is a self fulfilling prosperphy. Without it, the hospitals would still be open, with it, the hospitals need to expand medicaid. So the ACA is both the cause and the cure so it seems.
     
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    Charity care cannot prop up most hospitals. Just as most charity care cannot prop up an individual with a catastrophic illness with or without health insurance. If you believe that to be the case, you are wrong. Those rural hospitals closed because of incurring too much overhead cost due to non-payment by the uninsured.

    If you insist on blaming ACA because charities were cut, why not blame the charity? ACA didn't force the charities to cut their donations. Charities did that on their own, because of a small town mentality, and their hate for ACA. Don't push it off on ACA.
     
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    The fact remains, that before the ACA there was no problem. Whom to blame? Does it matter? The fact is it is happening. One side blames the other. It is the same old, same old, your fault, no its your fault, not it yours and on and on. That's fine with 3 year olds. But supposedly we have adults in Washington and they all continue to act like 3 year olds.
     
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  22. politicalcenter

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    I don't think the government should supply people with healthcare.

    But... that being said the people that couldn't afford insurance before Obamacare would not be affected by hospital closings because the only admission they would have is emergency services that would bankrupt them anyway. You would not need death panels because lack of money would pick the winners and losers.
     
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    Well, I think its pretty clear the 2.6 trillion estimate is closer to the truth, than obamas 900 billion lie.

    The true cost will most likely be over 3 trillion.
     
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