Obama's Australian visit

No they didn't.

 

What does anyone do in Darwin? Get pissed of course!!

I say let them come - the crocs are getting hungry again

 

Don't you think your comment is gratuitous anti-Americanism. It is directed toward the entire American people. To pretend otherwise is intellectually dishonest.

 

Errr I'd disagree with you Albert. Besides the fact that its a rather established form of humor, he could have meant that against the USMC specifically.... it looks like your inventing arguments to argue against.

 

Et tu Brutae?

 

If anyone is going to betray you it will be the US, IMO.

 

Thanks for your opinion.

 

You're welcome

 

Those young men, slain by someone they are there to help, did not die in vain?

All the blood shed in Afghanistan has been in vain, except for those who benefited from the side lines.

 

Thats a very negative view! Even if it reverts to the Taliban lunacy in a few years it doesnt mean it was a wasted effort. Perhaps you dont understand or agree with what they are fighting for.

 

Don't you think I was also having a dig at Darwinites??

Darwin is notorious for the "Darwin Stubby"


(*)(*)(*)(*)!! But we are going to have difficulty explaining our sense of humour!! And sorry, but so what if it does offend the American sensibilities - grow some skin for heavens sake


You should hear how we talk to the Kiwi's and the Poms!!

To my fellow Aussies - I know how to deal with this problem - lets write it into the agreement that any American service people coming to Australia have to play cricket against us. By the time we have explained Cricket to them they will be ready to retire!!

 

No.

Perhaps you don't understand WTF died in vain means.

Yep, that sounds like the issue.

 

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LOL, sure that must be it. Dont use your brain, you obviously have no way to quantify the results that are being achieved so your simplistic determinations make you feel more comfortable.

 

Well said Oxyboy!

 

My 2 cents

Every soldier that dies in Iraq and Afganistan dies in vain, thinking they are their for liberty and democracy what a joke.

Bring them home i say, because they are actually fighting for the military complex and not for any noble cause.

Most wars the US is involved in these days are a lost cause where young men are sent to their deaths under the pretenses of democracy and freedom.

Bring our boys home we have no right to be in another country under false pretenses that we are liberators of terrosism, when in fact we are the terrorists fighting for the military complex.

Not only our soldiers but all soldiers from the allies think they are there to free the people from terrorists when in actual fact they are fighting for the terrorists not against them.

I bet most afgani fighters look at themselves as resistance and freedom fighters rather than terrorists, who have to free their home land from the invaders and occupiers thats us.

Terrorists that was a George W Bush invention to invade other countries.

There is no good fight here, terrorism, the taliban, Bin Laden, the twin towers all crap in my opinion otherwise how could the US and George Bush just suddenly invade other countries half the world away out of the blue thats what Hitler did didn't he.

http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=1556

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2005/200905stagedterror.htm

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCxqLgWuiTA"]British Special Forces Caught In IRAQ posing as Arabs - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ"]Zeitgeist - The Movie: Federal Reserve (Part 1 of 5) - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBZne09Gf5A"]Zeitgeist - The Movie: Federal Reserve (Part 2 of 5) - YouTube[/ame]

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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwz85gWjFbk"]Zeitgeist - The Movie- Federal Reserve (Part 5 of 5) - YouTube[/ame]

 

I get it if you dont get it, but try not to disrespect the dead for sacrificing their lives for something they believed in - it just makes you look pathetic.

 

If you're talking to me then i seriosuly say that i do respect all the young men and women that have given their lives thinking they are their for a noble cause like democracy and freedom.

Unfortunately these are false pretences just like in the vietnam war.

Maybe you would care to explain what i dont get?

I just dont believe anything the government says anymore, after all they are all liars aren't they?

 

So you don't like the government. So why is it you would disparage others to promote your hate for the government?

 

Hi garry17

Dude i'm not disrespecting the war dead.

What i donot respect are the lies that are spun for us to be involved in these wars and the people who spin them.

I'm sure most of the young men and women that go of to war have good intentions at heart.

But for who and for what are they fighting for?

 

The fact you dont know, means you opinion is worthless IMO.

 

Look, I too could agree, that the people involved in the decisions to go to war can be of dubious respect, BUT, with respect of the people whom have died, which this entire section of discussion was aimed at, it would seem that many here would score points of dead soldiers, to make some political point.

Your statement
'Every soldier that dies in Iraq and Afganistan dies in vain, thinking they are their for liberty and democracy what a joke.'
and you later referred to Vietnam in the same light. No matter how you look at it, you are creating a disparagement to those, that not only died for their nation, but those that fought as well. They have been sent by your leaders, to carry out an action, that you may or may not agree with, but they go in the full knowledge they may die, as sent by those people you despise.

You may not like it, The soldiers may not like it, but unlike many whom do not like it, they go and risk their lives, as they are asked to. If a threat ever came to your boarders, you would expect them to again go to where they are required, regardless of their own thoughts, to protect your nation. How can you expect that, when they can expect those whom do not agree, would consider their sacrifice as a waste?

No, don't like where your government has sent your people, complain about your government. Don't like the job your soldiers are doing, complain about your soldiers. BUT DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT THE SOLDIERS DOING THE JOB THEY ARE ASKED TO DO.

 

Hi garry17

I’ not trying to score points from dead soldiers to make my point, like I said I have the utmost respect for the young men and women that have given their lives in war.

About my statement well that’s how I feel about it, why because the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are not meant to be won or lost but rather prolonged just like Vietnam, the military complex just wants to sustain it so they can produce more bombs and guns and of course deaths, not to mention all the contracts to build these countries back up again.

So our troops are there so the already high and mighty can get higher and mightier not because of democracy not because of freedom or liberation, that’s why I say they die in vain because there not really fighting for democracy and freedom.

The fact that over a million Iraqi’s have died from this war never gets mentioned in the western newspapers.

Just yesterday I heard on the news a bomb went off (Iraq) in some market place and killed 19 or so people this happens very frequently well ever since the coalition forces have occupied Iraq, isn’t that kind of strange that this has only been happening since the occupation.

Is it really terrorist and or insurgents that are doing these things or agents working for the military complex?

Now I don’t know your views on this but in my opinion this is not war Garry how can it be, it’s more like terrorism and I bet once the occupying forces leave the bombings will stop as well.

If the American and Australian people didn’t take to the streets and protest against the Vietnam war the powers to be might have prolonged it even further, getting richer and richer as the videos above say there is nothing more profiteering to the bankers as war is.

What about the lies about going into Iraq that they had weapons of mass destruction only to find out that they were wrong, I could go on and on but I’m sure you are well aware of these things.

So when you look at the bottom line so to speak if there is such a thing in war with all these atrocities that are going on whether they are financial or military what is the point of sending out troops to such hapless endeavor.

So what was achieved in Vietnam?

Vietnam is still a communist country that has excellent trading practices with the US and Australia.

What was the point of Vietnam?

What was achieved?

The same will be said of Iraq and Afghanistan what has really been achieved?
Apart from millions of deaths.

I think it’s time that all peoples of this Earth started to question the reason for war any war.

When any politician tries to commit us to a war we should be saying why what is it’s purpose, what have we do with it?

And maybe even taking a vote on it, one man or woman should not be allowed to commit an entire nation to war, against some imaginary enemy that can never be found.

Unless it’s a direct threat the commitment to war should be a vote from the people of the nation and not the actions of one man or woman.

Yes I respect the young men and women who have given their lives to war, but we should also be asking ourselves for whom are we/they fighting for in this war and what is the cause?

 

I get it if you dont get it, but try not to disrespect the dead by ascribing "beliefs" to them when they were simply doing a job - it just makes you look pathetic.

 

The fact you can't answer a simple question, means you opinion is worthless IMO