Ohio 10-year-old's alleged rapist is Guatemalan illegal immigrant

He's doing everything in his power to make sure more illegals come into our country are they being vetted or whether or not they're child molesters?

This person could have snuck it and under Trump or he could have been in one of those well-funded caravans. But the fact is he's an imported criminal. And one party seems to be hell bent on importing as many as they possibly can

 

link?

 

https://fox59.com/news/national-wor...-old-rape-victim-defends-suspect-to-reporter/

Totally. The average mom would have stuffed this guy into a blender, this lady is claiming what the state says is a lie. WOW.

 

My main objection had been on your trying to focus so narrowly on the question, "would he or wouldn't he?" and ignore the context of the remark, as Kazenatsu had raised it, in the OP.

Secondarily, though, I do believe in the ideas of innocent until proven guilty, and not prejudging others' actions. This is from where our disagreement, over predicting Biden's future actions, emanates. I feel that your basis for this, is just too broad:

I have tried to make clearer, with my typographical augmentations of your quote, precisely what separates our opinions. 1) I must first note, that it seems to me that you have modified your stance (formerly in agreement with Kaz's allegation), that it was near certain, Biden would do this; now you merely contend that it would be possible. I definitely agree, that it might, potentially, occur; but that is no change, in my own stated view: I NEVER claimed that "Biden would not fire said leaker." That would be just as unjustified a claim, as to say that, in all likelihood, he would fire the person-- you see? I dispute that, beyond a very speculative guess, there is sufficient proof to gage this.

2) At some point, I thought you had said that, if Biden is morally inferior (and the same trouble exists, if you pull it back to just "not morally superior") to Carter, therefore it can pretty much be assumed that Biden would follow suit.

It should be obvious, the flaws in this assumption, and where one winds up, adopting this model. First, I don't think we are able to really come up with both a comprehensive, accurate, and fairly objective way to assign people with morality "ratings." Second, since even some of those who would be considered to score high on that chart, have had moral failings, this judgement paradigm, would allow one to assume the worst, of anyone who they regard as shiftless, or expressing less than the highest moral character.

Regardless of whether or not the moral appraisal had been "accurate," it would not be truthful to assume that any given individual has or, when the opportunity presented itself, would commit any given ethical misconduct. Assigning blame-- in the absence, no less, of any wrongdoing having taken place-- without evidence pertaining to that particular act, which is being offered for opining is, IMO, manifestly nothing but an exaggerated case of stereotyping.

You didn't, initially, say this. I see, now, that you did, in your follow-up post of which, I'd thought I had answered, only the first part. It had looked as if the rest of your quote was just repeating the same argument, so I'd not read it carefully enough to see this new detail.

As I had said, I really did not know your deportment, regarding Trump, so let me thank you for elucidating that, for me. I'm glad to know, even if we disagree on things, that you do think & judge things with your own mind, and are not one of see/hear/speak no contradicting apostasy, Trump monkeys.

 

Shows how much you've been brainwashed. The media makes you think a perception is true without actually saying it.

Show us some statistics if you'd like to attempt making a comparison.

 

Well, laws that prevent rape victims from getting abortions are clearly less bad if there are fewer rapes. Wouldn't you agree?

 

Non sequitur. Is this thread about actual and proposed legislation, surrounding abortion, or is it your theory for reducing rapes? The two would not seem to be a naturally interdependent pair of topics: that is, a person could speak of either one, without any need of referencing the other.

 

seems you're the one that has been brainwashed

 

that you?

 

Lol, problematic because they are from "different countries"? Lol, us Americans have become a bunch of little bitchy snobs with our nose in the air. Humans are humans, regardless of origin.

 

And yet, the majority of places where "humans" live are terrible places. When are progressives going to turn those countries around?

 

Color me shocked. I thought it would have been one of those employed tax paying white supremacists we hear so much about these days...

 

You think places that don’t have the US standard of living are just shitholes. We are spoiled here. The rest of the world will never be brought up to our standard, because the world does not have the capacity to sustain that. It would take about 8 earths worth of energy and resources to sustain the entire planet at our level. The US and similar western nations got to where we are largely by exploiting those other countries. No wonder they want to come here.
You seem to think that an accident of birth makes them bad people. They are just people, seeking a better life, attracted to the crazy amount of energy and resources we consume here. It’s just as natural as you wanting to stay in the US rather then go live in some other country.

 

I'd be curious if you could present any evidence of that type of claim. Maybe start a separate thread, leave the link here if you want.

I see. So lowered expectations.
Just admit that immigration reduces standards of living.
You've pretty much already done that.

 

I pretty much said the opposite of that. People come here to raise their standard of living. What exactly do you think makes an immigrant so much different than you?

 

I see you are only focusing on the positive side of the coin.

I see, so this is about "global equality".

What exactly do you think it is that makes some countries much wealthier, cleaner, safer than other countries?

Until we solve that mystery, I think there is a danger in upsetting the status quo.

I mean, how can we make sure our country doesn't turn into a Third World country? Because once that happens, there's no going back.

Maybe if they could transform some country in Africa into a First World country, it would convince me otherwise.

 

One thing for sure, we'll never be like Japan where parents can send their 5 year old daughter to go off by herself alone to school on the train everyday, without having to worry about the girl's safety, and in a big city area no less.

But maybe you'll tell us that we are just "spoiled" for being lucky enough to live in an area where people don't have bars covering all their windows.

 

Wealth, corruption, and income disparity.
It is kind of hard to transform a country in Africa into a first world country when US and other western corporations are exploiting those nations, making a very few rich while the rest suffer, and the wealth received from resource extraction is not benefiting the people native to those countries. Hence the reason why people want to get out of them. It is government corruption propped up by western interests that keep many of them in their third world status. The people are not the problem.

 

On the Effect of Immigration on Destination-Country Corruption

 

Ah yes, they are all crooks, terrorists, and gang members. Uh huh. Not a good person in sight. riiiight.
Of course there are some criminals and what not. We have far more of that here already, many on wall street and in Washington DC. The vast majority are just people looking for a better life. I am far more worried about the criminals we have in office than I am about some desperate people looking to improve themselves. Lets clean out the scum in power first, then we can worry about the less fortunate criminals.

 

That's not what I said. But what type of person, I mean statistically, sneaks through a border?

Do you really think your country is just getting an average slice of the society who live in these other countries?

 

What type of people do you think are going to be in office 50 years from now?
We know these other countries are totally corrupt.
But you must think there is something magical about your country that prevents it from being corrupt.

Do you think if we took all of Mexico's politicians and put them in charge of the U.S., they would not be corrupt anymore?

 

Have you seen any such statistics? I know you’ll label them all criminal since they crossed “illegally”. What type of person sneaks through a border? Lots of different types I imagine. If their countries are as ****ed up as you say they are, i imagine they could be from all walks of life. What kind of people snuck into West Berlin from east Berlin? I suppose hey were all garbage too? Is it just immigrants to this country you hate? Or all immigrants in general? Do you hate your ancestors? I know mine didn’t come here legally. We brought the sword to the people living here. It seems to me the ones coming here now are far better behaved than my ancestors were. I don’t hate my ancestors though. I’m curious how you feel about yours, them being immigrants and all. Unless you are Native American I suppose.

 

I don’t even know what you are going on about here. I’ve said quite plainly many times that our government is completely corrupt. That’s why they are using something like immigration as a weapon, on both sides of the aisle. One side is looking for votes, and the other side stokes xenophobic idiotic fears.