OK Atheists.......prove god doesn't exist

How can you have a possibility of something you cannot define. That makes no logical sense.

 

Obviously the Flying Spaghetti Monster is just one god among many since no god can ever be disproved. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is only unique among the pantheon of gods in the fact that the FSM is more fun and less vicious to non believers.

 

There has been no true analogy. Neither you nor William Rea apparently know how to make one.

But if you must make the analogy using the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, or the Tooth Fairy...do it with a toddler or a fellow atheists. They both love to talk about those things.

Not sure what you mean that gods have no objective support...but I am telling you without qualification...

...IT IS POSSIBLE THAT GODS EXIST.

If you are saying it is impossible for gods to exist...you bear the responsibility to establish that.

It appears that the gods humans have worshiped have been human creations...although if you are going to assert they definitely are, you bear a burden of establishing that as a fact. I don't think you can.

But if you are willing to modify comment to what I said, I will accept it for the purposes of our discussion.

The fact that the gods worshiped may all be the product of human imagination does not mean gods do not exist.

If you want to think that people who guess at least one god exists are "intellectually underdeveloped"...do so. Personally, I think people like you who guess there are no gods and refuse to acknowledge it is only a guess...might more easily qualify to be called intellectually underdeveloped.

IF you want to discuss the Easter Bunny...do it with a toddler or a fellow atheist. I'd recommend a toddler though. They are more open minded.

 

Do you think cancers will be cured eventually?

If so...please define the process.

Do you believe there are undiscovered animals in the Amazon?

Please tell us what they look like?

 

....uh.........I read that the FSM sacrifices meatballs and threshes entire field of grain. There is even rumor that it once denied stain removal from the shirt of followers at Luigis in Chicago.

 

I think with a tiny bit of effort you can find definitions for cancer and animals. Nice try though.

 

As you stated:

" The fact that the gods worshiped may all be the product of human imagination does not mean gods do not exist."

And now we provide a definition:

Imagination | Define Imagination at Dictionary.com
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the faculty of imagining, or of forming mental images or concepts of what is not actually present to the senses. ... the product of imagining; a conception or mental creation, often a baseless or fanciful one.

I think we are done here.

 

Here is a definition of an analogy:

a·nal·o·gy
əˈnaləjē/
noun

1. a comparison between two things, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification.
   "an analogy between the workings of nature and those of human societies"
   • a correspondence or partial similarity.
     "the syndrome is called deep dysgraphia because of its analogy to deep dyslexia"
   • a thing that is comparable to something else in significant respects.
     "works of art were seen as an analogy for works of nature"
     
     Yep, the Bunny and FSM are definitly analogous to god.
     

 

You made a statement and posed a question:
CourtJester said: ↑
How can you have a possibility of something you cannot define. That makes no logical sense.

I answered it by asking YOU questions which if you answered of even considered would explain.

 

And the FSM is almost universally available to his followers.

 

Nope sorry but the discussion is about how you can have a possibility of something you cannot define. Your two attempted analogies are invalid since definitions are available and universally accepted. Try again tomprovide an analogy using words that cannot be defined.

 

Yeah....but he ain't free and usually requires additional items of worship.

 

Yeah...I'd run away if I were you. Obviously this is not your strong suit. But my guess...you will be back shortly.

 

No they aren't...unless you have the answers to my questions.

What is the definition of the undiscovered Amazonian wildlife?

Will it be an insect...maybe a new monkey....could be a tree?

 

Oh, yeah...here you are again.

And yes...that is a definition of an analogy.

Now...actually do it. Make the analogy...rather than just throwing the word around the way you guys do. And as soon as you actually make an analogy...take it to a toddler and let the toddler tear it to pieces. Or try a fellow atheist...who might be able to do it.

 

Let's take a fresh look a this. From reading the thread it seems that we've discounted all gods ever known to man as being artificial, so we're left with the possibility of an unknown god. We can discount the gods of aliens on distant planets by the same logic. Can we argue that since the universe exists something must have created it? No, because it could have existed for ever. So a god is not necessary. Then there two problems with a god creating the universe:

1) By definition the universe is everything so there's nothing outside it which could create it.

2) If the logic is that the universe had to be created then a god would be needed. But if there is a god, by the same logic someone would have had to create it. So who created god? And who created that god? And so ad infinitum. It is impossible.

I don't know if this helps but I put it out here anyway.

 

Yeah. You and some others in this thread are adverse to analogies that demonstrate how silly their beliefs are.

 

You and some others in this thread are big believers in: It's possible, therefore we don't dare rule it out.

 

I prefer: The product of man's imaginings.
im·ag·in·ings
iˈmajəniNGz/
noun

1. thoughts or fantasies.

situations or ideas that exist in your mind but are not real

Imaginings are things that you think you have seen or heard, although actually you have not.

i‧ma‧gin‧ings /ɪˈmædʒənɪŋz/ noun [plural] literary
situations or ideas that you imagine, but which are not real or true

 

I am hoping that means you are doing the survey I suggested, and that you will do it honestly, and that you will bring us the results once you have a sizable sample.

Doesn't have much to do with this discussion, but at least you will have enhanced your vocabulary.

That doesn't help much. I don't know anybody who claims to "know". I know many who believe god exists (they're called "believers"), and many who don't believe god exists (they're called "atheists"). As far as "knowing"... well... maybe the "Illuminati", I guess. Or those who say they "talk to god"... But I would question the mental health of anybody in either of those groups. Are you striving to become one of those?

So basically, you have made such an effort in rebutting a position that "nobody" holds.

 

Don't try so hard. You are not going to avoid me no matter what. You don't have it in you.

Anyway...it IS possible that gods exist...and only a fool would "rule it out."

Look, Ecco...it is okay that you have this belief that there are no gods. Don't be ashamed of it. There are lots of people who have beliefs in the other direction...and they aren't.

 

Meatballs?

 

Yeah...imagination...and fantasies exist.

But what you are trying to do is to define the existence of gods as a fantasy (because you "believe" they don't exist)...and then pretending that because you are defining them as fantasy...they ARE fantasy.

We do not know if gods exist or not.

You will not turn to dust if you simply acknowledge that you do not know. It is okay for you not to know something like that.

 

OK. But, I'd quibble with...

Scientists have posited other universes.

 

Yup, it's ignorance all the way down.