OK Atheists.......prove god doesn't exist

Nope I stated that an atheist lacks belief in god, you stated many think something else. I provided you with what atheism is from the American Atheists. You have not provided one quote. I am pretending nothing, you are trying to argue what you think an atheist thinks.

 

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My comment was that many atheists assert there are no gods...or that it is more likely that there are no gods than that there are.

That happens to be the truth...whether you can handle it or not.

And I have offered links to examples of it right here in this forum...in this thread, in fact.

 

I don't know of any theists who would claim, or have claimed, that there is 100% scientifically provable evidence that god doesn't exist.

Your OP is based on a false assertion. If you have evidence to back up your assertion, I'd like to see it.

OK. You just backed off your original assertion. You just went from "100% scientifically provable evidence" to "direct evidence".

I will state categorically that gods do not exist.

There have been thousands of gods posited by man. All but a very few of these have been dismissed as man-made myths. There is no more reason to give credence to these few, or even one of them, than there is reason to give credence to the thousands that have been dismissed.

Gods are the creations of man's imaginings. The very concept of gods is the creation of man's imaginings. Gods were created/imagined to answer questions that, at the time, could not be answered. "GodDidIt" was the alternative to "I don't know".

 

Another link just appeared, from Ecco, who, to his credit, has on several occasions asserted specifically that gods do not exist...in comment #178 above.

 

On most but not all. To be specific asserting there is more evidence thst there is no god than there is evidence for a god appears to me demonstrably true. But I add that reaching that conclusion does rely on one's definition of a god. For instance if one postulates a god who has no interest in man and no involvement in man's origin than of course there can be no evidence either way.

 

Thank you, CJ...but respectfully as possible...I see NO unambiguous evidence of any kind that there are gods...

...or that there are NO gods.

None whatsoever in either direction.

 

Not believing is NOt believing

 

Yup.

That describes me. I do not "believe" that there are any gods...and...I do not "believe" that there are no gods.

How about you, Tecoyah?

 

I've thought of a different way of looking at this question. In order to prove that god doesn't exist, you would have to prove that all gods don't exist. That would include all gods ever worshipped by humankind. Now, that may not be too difficult if you make the assumption that those gods once in favour, but no longer believed to be true, don't exist. I think it's a fair assumption. Who believes that Dionysus (the god of parties, and my fav of all time) exists? No one. The same for all the Norse, Roman, Greek and Egyptian gods, the ones from Central America, etc etc. In fact most of the gods ever worshipped don't exist, so we've got rid of most of them.

What of the few that remain? Well, only one can be real, because they're all different, so we're down to one now. In order to continue we really need to know which one it is so we can focus our efforts. So what we need from the OP (or other theists) is proof of the existence of the one true god so we can work on disproving it. Over to you.

 

LOL - Not Laughing Out Loud. LOL Lot's Of Luck.

 

You hit the nail on the head there Diablo.

 

As opposed to pointing towards an unjustified 'creator' and calling that god? In which case, show me evidence for a necessary creator but, that is a whole different ball game.

 

Actually, I can prove that gods don't exist but, it would be a pointless word game with definitions and cod philosophy, a level that I don't want to sink down to.

EDIT - other than to mock the 'arguments' made by evangelists on here.

 

There is absolutely NO WAY you can prove there are no gods.

 

The fact is that it is possible that goes exist.

In order to prove that no gods exist...you would essentially have to prove that it is impossible for any gods to exist.

Do that, if you think you can. Perhaps William can help you.

In the meantime, you might consider this question:

Why is it so difficult for you to acknowledge that we do not know the true nature of the REALITY of existence...so it is impossible to say with specificity if any "particular" exists or does not exist?

Why is that so difficult?

 

No, no. You just need to tell us which is the one true god, and we'll have a go at a proof. We've already proved that 99% of all the gods ever worshipped don't exist, so we're on a roll here. Just crack on, like a good chap, and give us the info we need. And stop shouting, we can hear you.

 

NO, no back to you.

WE do not have to narrow it down to "one true god."

There may be many gods; there may be one god; there may be NO gods.

Bottom line is: Are there no gods...or is there at least one?

Unless you can establish that it is impossible for even one god to exist...at least one MAY exist.


I am not shouting. I have explained my need to use bolding on several occasions.

 

The evidence that there are no gods is the lack of evidence that there are gods. While lack of evidence does not conclusively prove anything is certainly does provide evidence pointing in that direction.

 

We've already narrowed it down to one god, just read my post. There can be only one (as per the movie), so just tell us which one it is and we'll have a go. And you have to be specific: there are over 30,000 Xtian sects so if you choose that we need to know which one. Same for Islam, Sunni, Shia or one of the others. Hindu, I don't know.

And you're shouting. Stop it.

 

NO...it is illogical to suppose that.

A lack of evidence is simply evidence that there is a lack of evidence.

We have a total lack of evidence that there are any sentient beings that exist on any planet circling the nearest 15 stars to Sol. No evidence whatsoever that there are any sentient beings on any of those planets.

But that is NOT in any way evidence that no sentient beings exist on any of those planets.

I suspect you may not accept that, but it is so.

 

There is absolutely no reason that there has to be just one.

And if there is a god...it may be something totally different from anything any human has proposed.

I am not shouting.

 

I certainly accept that. It is exactly the same as my arguement that if the god has no contact or interaction with humanity than the lack of evidence proves nothing. But the common view of god is that god acts for our welfare and looks after even the smallest sparrow so the cases are in no way similar and your analogy is invalid.

 

Agreed

 

So if I understand you correctly, those people who behead a person because their god tells them to has no more burden of proof than I do in saying no he does not.

And you have no difficulty in excepting that.

 

I don't believe in X, or even know what X is. So, I'd have to say I'm not an Xn.