Oldest stone tools pre-date earliest humans !

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  1. Channe

    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They were unearthed from the shores of Lake Turkana in Kenya, and date to 3.3 million years ago.

    They are 700,000 years older than any tools found before, even pre-dating the earliest humans in the Homo genus.

    The find, reported in Nature, suggests that more ancient species, such as Australopithecus afarensis or Kenyanthropus platyops, may have been more sophisticated than was thought

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    "They are significantly earlier than anything that has been found previously," said Dr Nick Taylor, from the National Centre of Scientific Research (CNRS) in France and the University of Leiden in the Netherlands.

    "It's really quite astonishing to think what separates the previous oldest site and this site is 700,000 years of time. It's monumental."

    http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-32804177

    So we have a 700,000 year gap between whomever made these tools and the earliest known human beings. We keep finding out so much more amazing things. Science is awesome !
     
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    So there where intelligent humanoids before 5,000 years ago when God created Adam and Eva ? So that is where Adam and Eva's children obtained spouses and all of this time I was worried that we would have to charge the First Family with incest. What a relief it Is.
     
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    Eva is a white robot from The Pixar movie
    Wall-e. ;)
     
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    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    Ha ha I don't watch Pixar... .. that is fantasy, right? I stick with classic Sci Fi, Zombies, and Apocalypse- you know normal real stufF LOL!
     
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    This is fascinating.

    Thanks for sharing...

    ...this three year old story that isn't a current event.
     
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    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Bible actually contradicts itself horribly because it says this;

    "Cain went out from the Lord's presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden and Cain lay with his wife." - Genesis 4:16,

    How was this possible since Cain and Able were the children of Adam and Eve ?

    This also provides an additional evidence that there were other people present in the land of Nod, east of Eden.
     
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    Careful pal, the Muslims consider Adam to be the first Muslim and Hawa (Eve) to be the first wife of Adam.

    You're not mocking Islam are you?

    Because I'd hate to have to report you to CNN's hate crimes division.
     
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    Welcome to our future, where citizens will be turning in other citizens.

    Liberalism has us going down a sad and dangerous path.
     
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    Interesting. As time goes by, the more we find, the more we learn that there is much more we don't know. We have a habit of putting things into a box. Developing theories to that fit with what we put into that box. What we don't do is think outside of the box. If whatever theory or evidence might be unearthed doesn't fit into that nicely tied box, then it must be a hoax, something impossible so we tend to discard it or ignoring the findings completely.

    I think this find proves we do have some scientists with open minds and not tied to pre-existing scientific dogma/theories of what was possible and what wasn't.
     
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    Cant stick to the topic can you?
     
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    Agreed!

    Science is self correcting and this establishes that pre-human homids were making and using stone tools. Tool making is not restricted to hominids either.

    Keeping an open mind is best tool that all scientists should be using constantly.
     
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    When bona fide evidence exists, it should be accepted. :)
     
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    Absolutely - when there's ACTUAL evidence, it should not be rejected. :)
     
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    This is why science will always prevail over religion; it self-corrects and uses the evidence to find the answer.
    Faith, on the other hand forces the believe to accept what is told and tries to coerce the evidence for the desired result.
     
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    "Science advances one funeral at a time." ~Max Planck.

    A lot like society I guess...
     
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    Not necessarily; you may not grasp how either operate at their best and worst. :)
     
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    Intelligent humanoid species more than 3 million years ago, very interesting. There must have been an evolutionary regression of some kind, after all there's Donald Trump.
     
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    That is why by the time I was a young teen I did not take the Bible literally but figuratively. When Intold my parents they went BS, ! When Intold my dad that I believed in evolution he told fine but "in my house you will believe that God made Adam and Eve as the first people, period" . Some years later when I came home on leave from the USAF he admitted that evolution was possible but only that " Polaks or Russians evolved from apes not good human people". Hey it was his house! LOL
     
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    Ha ha ha ! The Pope may excommunicate me before that. Plus since Adam and Eva were Hebrews so I would be declared an anti-Semite, anti Christian, and anti Southern Baptist along with a piss poor former alter boy Catholic.
     
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    Oh BS ,there goes our light hearted intellectual discussion..
     
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    There were some hoaxes during the 19th century in Germany or England or maybe both. We may uncover more evidence as we go along and with scientific advancements we will get more and more sophisticated in analysis so we may find some of our older " theories" were wrong or not complete.
     
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    True scientists do keep an open mind but like any profession there are jealousies and the old guard protecting their turf or politics enters into the scientific debate.
     
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    They could have had daughters so Caine could have taken one of them as a wife.
     
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    Nope, that's not what the Bible says;

    But after Cain had slain his brother God appears to him and kicks him out of the Garden of Eden as punishment. Cain then moves to the land of Nod, which is East of Eden, but what Cain then says to God is quite revealing.

    He tells God that he was worried of being killed by other people who would find him (Genesis 4:15). Then God replies, “Therefore whoever kills Cain, vengeance will be taken on him sevenfold.” (Genesis 4:15) God and Cain both imply that there are other humans besides Adam and Eve.


    If there were no other people, God would not have had to give him a mark in the first place, and Cain would not have had anything to fear.

    https://jamesbishopblog.com/2015/01...that-adam-and-ever-were-not-the-first-people/
     
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    I'm saying it could have been an existing wife who was his sister, then he moved to Nod and was afraid so God marked him. Did it say he married a woman from the lands of Nod and knew her? Nope.

    And they were never in the Garden of Eden since God kicked the parents out of there so were barred from it.
     

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