On Derek Chauvin And Sofia Gelberg

More than 100 years ago, during the Russian Civil War an anti-Bolshevik peasant band routed a Red Army Unit and captured its female (Jewish) leader Sofia Gelberg.
Had Ms. Gelberg really not just fought the insurgency, but also confiscated the grain and from peasants?
Had she really ordered the alleged late teen insurgents to be shot or sabered?
Had she really been more cruel than most Civil War commanders (both Bolshevik and anti-Bolshevik ones) or maybe even a sadist?

I don't know!
Anyway, all this was a very difficult issue, that would have taken needed a long and protracted probe!
However, the AntiSemitic propaganda had so long painted the Jews as "mortal enemies of the Christians", causing sixteen ng centuries of bloody persecutions, that Ms. Gelberg could be put only on a sham trial

Derek Chauvin is a similar story.
I don't know, what really happened to George Floyd, on May 25, 2020.
I don't know, though the first (official) autopsy record states that the man had coronavirus, the potentially deadly levels of the synthetic opioid fentanyl in system and multiple pre-existing heart conditions at the time of his death.
I don't know, though the (rather blurred) bodycam video (withdrawn four months long) appears to demonstrate, that he screamed "I cannot breathe!" even before being thrown to the asphalt.
I don' know!

Anyway, George Floyd's suspicious death would need a long and protracted probe!
However, the mass media, the academia, the Democratic party leadership have so
long painted the US police officers as "white racist murderers of innocent blacks", causing many months of bloody riots, that Derek Chauvin could be put only on a sham trial.

P.S.

Sofia Gelberg was sentenced to be impaled alive; her agony lasted three days.
Any other sentence against Derek Chauvin will be used by the far-left extremists / Fascists as pretext for more rioting, more looting, more chanting “Death to America !” and “Death to Israel !”, more vandalizing the synagogues (remember Los Angeles), more burning Bibles (remember Portland), more smashing the Holocaust memorials (remember Santa Rosa), more butchering in cold blood retired black police veterans (remember David Dorn) and black children (remember Secoriea Turner).

 

What this post - and many others - shows that people seem deeply entrenched in their beliefs. It appears that every time a police officer is accused of misconduct, the usual suspects immediately jump to their defense. Forget the body cam footage of Floyd himself - look at the crowd of people (several white and very young) begging with the police to check his pulse. Begging with police to take a knee off a man who is clearly unconscious. To jump to his defense speaks volumes.

What will it take for Trump supporters and Right leaning folks on here to vilify the police?

 

There is plenty of very clear video almost 10 minutes worth showing Chauvin knelt on Floyd's neck for over nine minutes DESPITE the constant warning from the spectators that he was killing him. He chose to deliberately ignore them, meaning his intent was to kill him.

 

You didn't understand anything.
I don't defend Derek Chauvin.
I merely call for a an impartial and depoliticized investigation into George Floyd's suspicious death instead of immidiately crying a "hate crime" and smearing the US police officers in general and Derek Chauvin in partucular "as white racist thugs murdering the innocent blacks"!

 

Some time ago Randy Ethan Halprin (one of "Texas Seven") was sentenced to death. The judge was reported to have referred to him as a "****" and a "****ing Jew" and to have said Jews "needed to be shut down because they controlled all the money."

Having learned this a group of Jewish activists (successfully) petitioned the Texas authorities to investigate into the report and to suspend the death sentence.

BLM, AntiFa, the mass media, the academia, the Democratic party leadership could (and should) have called the Minnesota authorities to probe George Floyd's suspicious death, if black lives really mattered to them.
But, unfortunately they don't.

 

I believe part of the reason is that many people still believe all black people are criminals and deserve anything the police do to them. Or course, nobody will come out and say they believe that or hold some racist views about minorities but the underlying thought is that "they" don't matter so the cop HAS to be in the right.

We all witnessed this on this very forum. Ashli Babbitt died in the January 6th riot on the Capitol and many people were furious that they didn't release the name immediately of the officer that killed her. To them, a white person was shot and SOMEBODY has to answer for that. Interestingly, many of the same people who are (justifiably) angry about the circumstances surrounding her death don't hesitate to vilify the people protesting the death of a black man by the cops.

 

Especially outrageous that they have been painting a violent criminal, who put gun to the belly of a pregnant black woman as
hero, as saint, as role model for African Americans!
Though he is no more "hero to the blacks" than "Randy Ethan Halprin" is a "hero to the Jews"!

 

Do you feel powerless to control who other people see as "heroes?" I mean, some think Tom Brady is a hero, which is beyond outrageous, but it doesn't get me all flustered.

 

There are witnesses, autopsy reports various films from various angles by various people that have been released. It has been investigated my city authorities, the District attorney, both liberal and conservative media and his defense team for over a year. There is an open trial taking place and if one side loses there is an appeal process. What needs to be added?

In my mind Police in general are not on trial. A policeman is on trial.

 

It is not just "some people"
It is the very "progressive" mainstream, including Florida Holocaust museum!

 

There are contradictory autopsy reports, contradictory videos, contradictory assumptions.
Thus the issue would need a long, protracted and depoliticized probe!
And the very first step of this depoliticizing would be speaking about "suspicious death" rather than "racist murder"!

The "trial" of Sophia Gelberg was open either.

 

Your observation is pretty weak. A better question is why the left would take an obviously seriously flawed criminal to use as their deification model here. The police, as noted in the more than 20 minutes of video from the body cams of the multiple officers who were on site clearly show a man (floyd) who, [there are previous videos of his arrests where he acted similarly] so this disturbing behavior he exhibits is baffling. He yells, "don't shoot".. he yells "I can't breath", and lots of other stuff even though he isn't in any physically challenging positions. His associates in the car, witness dude take 2 Oxy (percocet) and his toxicology reveals both a lethal dose of Fentanyl, high levels of Meth, and pot, as well as being COVID positive. And yet, for more than 15 minutes, Floyd resists, is combative, the police are polite, attempt to contain the man, who, remember is pretty large and powerfully built. He is obviously drug addled. He is incoherent, is unwilling to be restrained, or to relax. Perhaps the facts that this guy is a multiple convicted felon has something to do with his demeanor?

As for police, who suggests that they always do everything right? I recall pointing out what I thought was reprehensible conduct by police multiple times here on these forums, and yet, you'd lump folks like me here because this case is so glaringly a racist narrative that folks like you demand we must apologize for? Get over it. The diversity of the police in this context doesn't demonstrate a racist intent. It documents an Overdose of drugs by a man who made a lot of poor choices in his life and that day. Answer just this question. There were lots of police there. And senior police there. And not one of them complained about the subduing of Floyd. Why do you suppose that is? Is it because it is a non lethal technique designed to restrain without harm? Like the police were trained to do?

I have a super hard time with folks, like you and your post above being as superficial and vacant of either analysis or thought but pure acceptance of the liturgy of lies that you have so fully absorbed here. You do realize that it is your attitude that invited the violence that happened for almost a year now, right? It's that "cops are racist" BS that puts them at risk in the conduct of their jobs. It obscures police conduct that is truly criminal because of the wide brush approach folks like you take. You know this, and yet, you are still willing to shade anyone that is pointing out that in this case, it is pretty obvious that mr Floyd killed himself via a massive overdose of drugs. And yet, you're not interested in the actual facts, are you. You're the same person who still defends the capital police officer who shot through a door at an unarmed woman. Are you not? And yet in this case, here you are pushing a narrative that is frankly offensive to many posters here because somehow you see the righteousness of your position.

I wonder what it is about the guy (Trump) who actively challenged the bureaucracy and the establishment that made you so angry about Trump, and to mix or confuse those of us who also shared that desire to challenge establishment to then take this position that you have about making under researched and likely incorrect assumptions then against police is baffling as an observer of your posting.

What I find so disingenuous about your post is that you find it acceptable to rail against the police but were so protective of the establishment that they are then the enforcement arm of. It just doesn't make sense.

 

How would they know? Of those witnesses, who among them was a qualified medical practitioner? The evidence, as noted, will show dude dies of hypotension, a condition caused by his massive drug overdoes. And when it does, these posts of yours will remain as an example of how many times in this case you were wrong.

 

And now, after Derek Chauvin "has been found guilty on all charges" I must repeat my opinion:

 

What the hell is your point, if any?

 

Too bad they don’t let anonymous internet experts decide guilt or innocence. Then your buddy Chauvin would be going home instead of being n the slammer awaiting sentencing. Guilty X 3....

 

Did you read my posting at all?

I don't claim that Mr. Chauvin and Ms. Golberg were (necessarily) innocent, I merely claim that they did not face a fair investigation - and a fair trial !

 

Yes, lets ignore facts and only listen to feelings. That's a way to get justice!

/s

 

So what? Don't do drugs.

 

the red army "confiscated the grain and from peasants" for the same reason gen sherman burned georgia. "war is hell."

whatever the crimes, real or propaganda, of the russian communists, they were preferable to the hereditary autocracy of the romanovs.

 

In spite of their frequent accusations of liberals being authoritarians, the right is, practically by definition, authoritarian. It is always the more conservative members of society who are always calling for stricter laws (except on guns and polluting, of course) longer sentences, more police officers, more jails, less rights for the accused (unless the accused is a police officer or one of their own).


When one regularly listens to media outlets that repeatedly tout the the bad behavior of 0.007% of Blacks, as if the other 99.993% were doing the same, leads those so susceptible to such arguments, to believe that the police are justified in killing “those people”. Even if the killing is highly questionable.

 

Isn't just the opposite true also.

When one regularly listens to media outlets that repeatedly tout the the bad behavior of 0.007% of Cops, as if the other 99.993% were doing the same, leads those so susceptible to such arguments, to believe that the courts are justified in jailing “those people”. Even if the killing is highly questionable

 

How was his trial not fair? The prosecution laid out its case and the defense had every opportunity to cross examine and question everything. Derek Chauvin was then allowed to offer his defense. I think anyone who objectively watched the trial, could come to no other conclusion, than that Derek Chauvin caused the death of George Floyd.

 

Have you ever noticed that when a cop goes bad, that there are never good cops who step up to stop him. It is always a citizen’s video that catches the bad police. And the outrage when it hits the evening news. If not for a teenaged girl and her cell phone, Chauvin would have gotten away with murder. There were reportedly a total of seven cops on the scene. Not one questioned Chauvin’s actions.

 

Then research and study the issue, now you have admitted you have nothing but opinion.