On what basis do Christians claim that their god is "good"?

I'm not so sure. The current fiscal model (as utilised in the past 70+ years - left and right) is effectively doomed. Or at the very least, has a critical mass point.

 

So you agree with me.
Cool.

 

Like I said...it depends on what you spend the money on.

The last stimulus package was WORTHLESS as it was not spent on any massive U.S. Infrastructure Buildup or Repair which would have created long term jobs.

AboveAlpha

 

Guess who got in the way of those projects?

 

The U.S. Economy has been in worse spots before and when the U.S. Economy is running on all cylinders it can generate ENORMOUS amounts of Tax Income which if our leadership is smart they will dedicate a large portion of such tax income on paying back the debt.

AboveAlpha

 

I'd still like to know what you think left wing extremism even is. Fixing a broken health care system (by adopting a Republican plan btw)? Clearly the GOP panders to their most ignorant. Sarah Palin for VP? She ran a town of 5,000 people that had FIFTY meth labs shut down in ONE YEAR! And couldn't or wouldn't finish a single term as governor. But how EXACTLY have Democratic Presidents pandered to the left wing? And how did you form your opinions on those issues?

As for Republicans being good for the economy you are clearly confused. All Reagan did was leave Carter's choice for the Federal Reserve Chairman in place and run up a FIVE TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT (afi). Thanks to Reaganomics we have gone from being the world's biggest creditor nation to being the world's biggest debtor nation. And pretty much all of the National Debt was run up by the GOP.

 

Let's see how good you are at understanding economic data. What conclusions can you draw from these facts:

 

I don't refer necessarily to the US economy. I'm a fan of Nearing's model, which applies fairly universally.

 

The GOP has a plan to fix that. They just need to stop enough Democrats from voting. Here's a look at their master plan:



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They just need to bull(*)(*)(*)(*) enough people into thinking things like this:

Homesteading?

 

in part. more correctly, smallholding. smallholding, barter, community responsibility, etc etc.

 

I am not aware of any major infrastructure programs that were proposed as of late.

AboveAlpha

 

I like it. Microeconomics at its best.

 

First of all you have to stop thinking I support either the GOP or the Democrats...I don't.

I vote for the Presidential candidate I feel is needed at the time.

As far as Left-Wing Extremism they exist in a manner where they feel Government should play Mommy and Daddy for the average citizen.

When Democrats start passing laws that require a KID to have to wear a HELMET just so they can ride their bikes....or pass laws where a person by law must wear a seat belt or wear a helmet just to drive a car or ride a motor cycle....and in particular some Leftist Extremist groups want nothing short of a total ban on hand guns despite the data that shows that heavily armed communities have a MUCH lower level of violent gun related violent crime than communities not so armed...well it just shows the idiocy of such ideology.

I don't see issues with requiring a proper back ground check before issuing a gun permit and I don't have problems with making certain food additives such as High Fructose Corn Syrup, Hydrogenated Oils and other very detrimental to human health food additives illegal....but when such Leftist Extremists try to make it illegal for a person to smoke, drink or eat fast food...well I have a problem with it.

AboveAlpha

 

it's increasingly appearing that it may be our best option. would require a radical adjustment, of course, particularly in corporate capitalism dependent western nations, raised to be good consumers. some of the more enlightened European nations are working hard to factor the idea into daily living, so it's doable given enough time.

Nearing was an economic genius, really. he predicted (based on proper modelling, not woo and/or emotions) the demise of the present model, and put forward his as a workable alternative. while it may not look exactly the way he imagined it, when it does happen, it's beyond clear that SOMETHING will have to give.

 

okay, now you're on the fightin' side of me

it's hard to fathom that a reasonable person would be opposed to kids wearing helmets, or to anti-gun laws. and you DO seem like a reasonable person (apart from that business about the old house .... but we won't go into that now ).

 

This data is specific to the changing socio-economic reality of the average American Worker as you will be hard pressed to find any American's who wish to be working on a factory assembly line or working in a field picking beans or busting their ass doing hard manual labor.

Add to this multiple decades of increasing oil prices due to more and more American's owning cars and in most cases owning more than one car per person as well as a steady increase in defense spending to counter Soviet Expansion since after WWII.

If a person looks back at the average family in the 1950's we would see a single car per family....a single TV and American's living a much simpler life overall.

Compare that to today with a home having a multitude of electronic devices all with built in capacitors drawing power 24/7 365 days a year as well as multiple cars and just...more...more...MORE.

We pay for Cable TV and Internet at costs of over $100 a month. We pay for cell phones...we desire stimulus from all sorts of sources and places and things barely even dreamed of in the 1950's.

Basically we want everything...all the time...forever.

AboveAlpha

 

exactly. but the 50's weren't golden, they were merely the thin edge of wedge. the first, post-war, glimpse of What Might Be. they certainly WANTED it all, they just had to wait a bit to get it. the 60's - at least in terms of awareness amongst the educated - were a single decade of reason, in a solid slide from the Great Depression onwards.

But, as someone who has incrementally downsized and downshifted from the Ugly Consumer to common sense, I can attest that it's not as painful as many couch dwelling, instant gratification monkeys might think.

 

They most assuredly were.

 

I am not opposed to having proper checks before a person can get a gun license or but a weapon but to outright ban handguns is idiocy.

As far as FORCING anyone to wear a helmet just to ride a bike...that is ridiculous.

AboveAlpha

 

God's actions were all directed against the wicked and evil and Satan. the 2,476,633 dead were all Satan's followers while the few 100,000's that God saved were good people that needed God's intervention. Job was a very loyal and devout servant of God and it was Satan who killed his family and made his life miserable because Satan want Job to hate God but Satan failed in spite of the hard ship inflicting on Job by Satan Job remain devoted to God.

God have at least 158 times defeated Satan.

In the NT God have now step back because there were enough good man to stand up against evil and eventually Christianity will expand making it more difficult for Satan worshipers and or followers from taking over this world.

God through Jesus Christ has wholesale freed all souls Jesus went to hell to take away all the souls from Satan and bring them to Heaven now men are freely choosing Satan and Hell the Hell that was created by Satan not God.

Yes God send His Son to be tortured in order to humiliate Satan the Satan who enjoy torturing and killing people specially good people and Jesus proof that no amount of suffering or offer of good life by Satan can ever stop Jesus from freeing thousands and millions of souls from Hell.

In that case God = Batman and Joker = Satan and in the Batman vs Joker it is Joker who love to kill and enjoy seeing people suffer while Batman is the hero just like God is a hero.

God is on the side of good while all the sufferings and killings that you have mention are the work of Satan not God.

I Am the Way, the Truth and the Light.
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall posses the land.
Blessed are they who mourn: for they shall be comforted
Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after justice: for they shall have their fill
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy
Blessed are the clean of heart: for they shall see God
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called children of God
Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice' sake, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven

Satan is all about vanity, torture, tyranny, barbarism, anti freedom, anti human rights in sort all about wickedness and evil at all cost.

Heaven is for sure better than Hell. The woman that turn into salt was not God's doing but that of the woman's own poor judgement to ignore the warning not to turn and look back just like when someone has been warn ONE WAY STREET DANGER.

 

Well that's certainly one popular view. And we can talk about it further. Meantime you might want to consider this from another perspective:

[video=youtube;rvxhh3hjfSs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvxhh3hjfSs[/video]

 

Here. Learn something about the Bible beyond an elementary school level!

[video=youtube;j-gbOnWj6Mw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-gbOnWj6Mw[/video]

 

Somehow Christians fail to understand how pathetic god must be if he can't simply destroy "satan" after 158 tries. Or god just likes keeping him around for his own amusement. How stupid must god also be if the ONLY possible way he could figure out how not to send people to ETERNAL TORTURE was to have a torture slaying of an innocent person. NOT deep thinkers these Christians. Barbara Eden (I Dream Of Genie) could have fixed the whole thing with a single blink.

 

He did it so you could have a choice, something you may not be familiar with.

 

A choice. Be a Christian or be TORTURED FOREVER!!! Some choice.

You people never really get much beyond that elementary school level of understanding do you?