"Only property owners should vote"

When it comes to property taxes only property owners should vote on them.

 

As long as you count the rich do-nothings! Like the ones that crashed their banks, and would be broke and on the street right now, relying on food stamps, had the government not given them billions in free taxpayer cash so they could continue their scams.. These execs do nothing too, you know.. Many of them just inherited their fortune. I actually agree with you. I think everyone who wants free cash ought to earn it. I think welfare takers who are able-bodied and not otherwise working, should work, and they can grow food, build housing, repair infrastructure, clean up the communities etc. Everybody would be happy then.

And then when you go to vote, everybody should be screened for what sitcoms they watch.. If it's the Big Bang Theory, then they might only be watching because of sexy Penny, so it's cool. But if they say it's How I Met Your Mother, then their voter cards should be torn up into pieces and they should have to pay a fine.

 

Then there could be no property tax. Should only drivers decide on registration tax and toll roads? Should only business owners decide on business tax? I would imagine you would then have none of these.

 

How can someone that doesn't have any idea what it takes to up and maintain a home vote on how much the owner should pay. Why would they not vote yes on every tax? What do they care? Why would they care. Hell most if the time they will get free stuff anyhow.

 

Who takes Bryan Fischer seriously? He has about as much modern day relevance as Jack Chick. No one but the fringe of the fundamentalist crowd considers him anything other than comic relief

Techinically fascists support far-left economics as well as ultra-nationalist foreign and social policies - Hitler for example was further left-economically than most liberal parties in Europe today.

 

Good point.. And this should be alarming. People who work at Walmart must have their income supplemented by social welfare. That means the government at one point thought their earnings weren't enough to maintain basic living survival standards!!

In other words, we are okay with companies paying wages that their workers can't even survive on! That is SWEAT SHOP standards! That's what we used to condemn these SE Asian countries for. Now we send our jobs there!

But the government won't mind having it this way, because if they top-up the difference, then Walmart don't have to. It's the same reason they give out food stamps, that can even be spent on booze and cigarettes, instead of food parcels, which they could do for a fraction of the price. It's so corporations can still make money. Even social welfare is corporate welfare! Everything is done in the interests of corporations.

Citizens United vs. the FEC unconstitutionally overturned laws that stopped corporate political bribery. Obviously, corporations would take advantage, and they have. You wouldn't unscrew the lid off a cookie jar and then figure that not many people ever took a cookie after that. It wasn't just this decision, but it laid the groundwork. This precedent is what the decision in freespeech.org vs. the FEC was based on, which was the springboard for the rise of the "SuperPAC".

They say these aren't to finance candidates, which is why the donor/disclosure requirements can be lax, yet they clearly allow them to.

Same as the 501c's... Karl Rove's got busted on a fraudulent tax return.. He gave money to a charity like his that directly funded candidates. The worst part is, this was only part of it.. It's not that he didn't report campaign contributions, it's that he under-reported them. In other words, they ALLOW a huge chunk to go to campaigns!! But I thought the whole justification for donor nondisclosure was that they did NOT engage in political advocacy! Well that doesn't matter now. Because the laws that prevented corporate bribery have been struck down. Now the system can easily allow for it.

And it's not just campaign funding. It's also state and local funding around the country. And more importantly, legislative bribery. Something people like to call "lobbying" which is just a euphemism for bribing legislatures, judges etc. This is a-ok legitimate and it where the SUPERPACS really do their heavy hitting. Since corporations are "people" and money is "speech" there is now nothing to stop blatant bribery. Gone are the days when you had to disguise it as "gifts".

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Some voting districts had people queuing up for 5-10 hours or more just to vote. With lines that long, you have to wonder why. It's because local authorities actually went out of their own way, to remove voting terminals, that were there in previous elections. Why reduce the number, if the population only grows? And of course, this is only in black neighbourhoods. No white people were lining up that long.

That's the proof, if you ask me. Otherwise, why reduce the number of voting terminals? I've never heard another explanation for that.

 

If they were ever to take away a person's right to vote, I'd suggest that the person affected be exempt from military duty (including registering for the draft) and all federal and state taxes as well.

 

I would think property owners would not want to pay property tax. Who actually wants to pay tax? If given the choice, I'm sure they'd all vote no. And you wouldn't have property tax, because nobody else is voting about it.

 

"NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION"

I seem to remember that from American History.

Of course this leads me to question why we impose federal taxation on immigrant labor that, while counted for Congressional Representation in the House (and the Electoral College), are prohibited from voting in federal elections. I have always maintained that permanent resident immigrants should be protected under the equal protection clause which includes the right to vote. Congress is obviously passing laws that directly effect them and they should have a say in who's elected to the House of Representatives just like everyone else that's effected by laws passed by Congress.

Republicans would have a conniption fit just thinking about it!!! "What? Equal protection for everyone? No friggin' way!!!"

 

Still didn't answer the question. Wouldn't no owners vote every time to raise taxes? Putting some home owners that are struggling at risk of kissing their homes. All because someone wants so free crap?

 

They probably would vote that way, which is why you wouldn't want an exclusive group of either homeowners or non-homeowners to make the decision.

 

But they are voting on something they have no idea of what it is or even care as long as they get theirs.

 

I think most people know what property tax is. But this would still be less problematic.. If everyone would say either yes or no then why bother having a vote at all.

 

Do you think they care if I lose my house or not? No! As long as they get their free crap they don't care one bit about me.

 

So you don't need a vote at all.. Just leave it up to the beuracrats to decide.

How do you like your current property tax rate? Do you think it's fair?

Don't forget you are getting stuff in return, and you wouldn't want it for free, right? It pays for your police, fire, schools etc.

 

I pay enough. No more. Let the poor pay more. The progressives are attacking the middle class and I'm sick of it. I don't want your governemt hand outs and I don't want to pay for your votes.

 

I understand your resentment. I feel the same, yet I'm not even middle class. I'm way below middle class. I've always been a fan of yours, Riot, so I'm happy to have this very important discussion with you. You are right. The middle class is under direct assault, and the aim of the corporaticians is to squeeze them into the lower class, because they are taking up too much of the wealth that the 1% want to get their greedy hands on.

They're not robbing you to give handouts to the poor. It's not just the middle class being robbed. It's everybody that's not the rich elite, or particular multinational corporations that the bribed congressmen are in bed with. The poor are just as much the victims if not more. Also being victimized, are small businesses. Even certain large corporations. They stack the deck in favor of the various corporations they are in bed with.

The USA used to be prosperous. We had a booming middle class, and that is what drove the economy. Everybody was better off. Even the rich execs at Ford were better off. Because people could actually buy the cars they helped to build. Now, they were meant to go extinct. The "Big 3".. But they got bailed out... Like 20 billion dollars thanks to your congress and Obama. What was the first thing they did after that? They sent loads of jobs overseas!!

How do the poor get victimized? The spending power of a day's work has been decreasing since the seventies or eighties. When economic overhaul, enacted by both parties, shook everything up. That overhaul continues to this day and is even accelerating. Nowadays, you just can't buy enough with your day's wage. You can't support a family. Now both parents must work, and even then, you can't necessarily do it. And when people can't spend, consumption plummets. That's why the economy is down. That's why the big 3 crashed.

It has gotten so bad that people can't even meet the BASIC NEEDS to survive anymore, even if working full time! The corporate government are happy to allow Walmart, McDonald's etc. to pay sweat shop wages and exploit our own labor, and the result is poverty. You either have food stamps, or people starve. When you rob the poor of wage and opportunity, you still have to leave them some food. The food stamps are just like the tablescraps the fat cats let the people keep after they're done robbing everything else about their livelyhoods.

The politicians give TRILLIONS away free, in taxpayer money from the treasury, to big businesses, banks, oil companies, offense contractors etc. Most of our taxes go straight to helping these corporations. They waste and steal and spend extra just to do this. They privitize the prisons in order that a prison corporation get paid, meaning this only INCREASES the price to taxpayers.

Many of these do nothing to earn it. Or they even conduct fraud. Rich people sit on their arse all day and get way more than anybody gets in food stamps, for free.

Yes, there are some people who collect social welfare and sit around all day and don't even try to get a job. This is wrong. But this is not the majority. Many try in earnest all day to get a job, but can't. There aren't even enough jobs. Many are even working already. But the rich are scamming benefits, gaming the system for free money, just a lot more money. As for the poor mooches, I would like to solve that problem by implementing workfare. If you're able-bodied, and not working, and collecting benefits, you should be assigned work, based on your abilities, corresponding to the amount you are already getting paid. It won't cost the taxpayers more, because we already pay out that money anyway. But we could get things done. They can grow food, build housing, clean the community, repair infrastructure, and all the things that need doing. Making food and housing will reduce amount needed in benefit anyway! And we can give out food parcels instead of food stamps, for a third the price. Food stamps can be wasted on booze and cigarettes. But they like food stamps, because that money gets spent, and winds up in the hands of corporations. You see, social welfare is actually corporate welfare anyway. Everything is set up in their favor.

And it's not just a progressive agenda. Both republicans and democrats have been sabotaging the working capitalistic system to produce this aristocratic neo-feudal society. Democrats don't help social welfare. The most they do is resist the cuts to it that republicans want to make. We don't need cuts. The budget crisis is caused not because we don't have enough money coming in, it's because we don't have enough money left over after we've given away or wasted the vast bulk of it. And the inflation, intentional devaluation of the money we have that causes this, is facilitated by both parties and their attempt to manipulate the money supply for their own personal gain, while claiming they are doing it for the economy, when they are only destroying the economy.

This is the underlying issue. The tiny proportion of welfare that is given away to poor people and people in need is one of the tiniest trees in the forest to be barking up. Thanks for reading!a

 

I am a 57 year old woman who owns a house/home she can no longer afford to pay the taxes on! The idea that if I sell my house...I won't be able to vote anymore is ludicrious. Where do these jokers come from?

 

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You mean congress and Bush they started the auto bailouts!! Wow it been a long time since someone blamed Obama for that lol

 

I wish either side would leave the middle class alone and look else here for the money needed for these serves. However I don't want to see small business being hit either. Large companies or above middle class. Hell have a bake sell. Lol

 

May not be such a wingnut idea. How do we prevent people from "voting themselves" resources they had nothing to do with creating?

I'm not sure I'm for restricting the vote. But it is an interesting question.

 

Obama himself boasts about it! He took credit in front of the entire auto-union worker's concvention.

Yes Bush gave the initial approval. Obama doled out funds as well, including from TARP. They were BOTH working together for it.

I didn't mean to excuse Bush's role in it. Sorry I forgot to mention it.

But this is kind of my point.. They're the same.. Bush is the same as Obama, both the same as the rest of them, meddling in the free market.

 

You missed my point completely. We don't need another source of money. We need to stop wasting/stealing/giving away most of the money that we've already got.

If we did need more revenue, the congress could just close the "loopholes" that allow certain corporations that do billions of dollars in business in America to not pay a penny in corporate tax for it. But they won't, because they would rather leave them in place for year after year after year like they have done. In other words, they aren't "loopholes"; they are exemptions.

 

And I agree. Sometimes I think there isn't two party's. Both want the same thing just are going about it differently What has Obama done for small business's? What has he done for the middle class? What had congress or the senate done for either?
Just worried about buying votes and lining pockets form corporations. Who else will give them millions of dollars for speeches or to be a lobbyist after they leave? Left and right winged don't care about the average American.
Corporate bailouts.
Corporate handouts
Banking too big to fail
Wall Street too big to fail
Not a spine amongst all of them.
Sorry. Not in a good mood today. Just seen my tax papers today from the CPA. So I'm a little touchy on this subject. Lol

 

You mean like the unborn? You people pick on the most defenseless of all. what a hypocrite.