I agree we need to do something about the younger generation of mamma's boys. What I don't understand though is if these people are undocumented how do they pay taxes and aren't falsified SS cards illegal? Our nation just can't support any more immigrants legal or otherwise.
Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers Yep, a separate movement needs to be started to discuss immigration... not "illegal" immigration. What have the "legal" variety and their immediate offspring done that has benefited this country? In 2009 Nidal Hasan killed 13 people and injuring more than 30 others in the Fort Hood mass shooting It was in 2013 that Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev killed 3 people and wounded scores more in the Boston Marathon bombing Remember Syed Rizan Farook and Tasheen Malik who murdered 14 people and injured 22 more in 2015 in San Bernadino? Then, just a year ago, another of these people, the son of an immigrant in love with the Taliban, killed 50 people and injured 53 more in a bar in Florida. I could go on and on, but the anti-immigrant people are adamant in their support of that "legal" variety of immigrant that they welcome with open arms. It's those guys living next door, working for years and being productive members of society that are the threat. The ones who come here and "love" our country and teach their children how to literally love us to death are certainly welcome and the kind of people we want. Right?
And I'm embarrassed by the stupidity of anti-immigrants that keep checking in on these threads without reading them. Local and state governments cannot be compelled to enforce federal immigration laws. That is the ruling from the United States Supreme Court. Furthermore, that decision was made when a member of the right (an anti-immigrant sympathizer no less) took the government to court and said, that he, a local sheriff, could not be compelled to enforce federal statutes. So, the law don't work in your favor. If you should be embarrassed by anything, it ought to be your own silliness. The anti-immigrant lobby wants to make this issue a popularity contest, NOT a discussion... proving that they are ignorant and uneducated - and acting like Democrats.... oh, but, but, but they really are.
IF we put the unemployed, under-employed and the disenfranchised back to work, the free market would take care of the rest. IF we dealt with the shortcomings of our own culture, we could save TRILLIONS and invest in our futures.
You may find this interesting... http://cis.org/Cost-Welfare-Immigrant-Native-Households http://powderedwigsociety.com/illegals-get-more-in-welfare-than-us-citizens/ And I can still see all those video clips of thousands upon thousands of "children" crossing the border illegally during Obama's last term in office, being welcomed with open arms by cadres of liberal Democrat social-workers, who dutifully made sure that all of them were clothed, sheltered, fed, provided medical care -- and then transported to government welfare enclaves located all over the country. Like I said -- a ""Democrat Party's Welfare Circus." Are you kidding?! That's all that your wonderous President Messiah did, especially during his last four year term. It was rule by proclamation, decree, and 'Executive Orders'... one right after another. The difference between Obama and Trump is that Obama didn't have packs of liberal "judge" jackals pouncing on everything he did like they have done to Trump. "We, the People" have the right to do anything we like under our Constitution, and, we can amend the Constitution itself if we want to. We, the citizens of the United States have ALL the rights and privileges. Illegal aliens have NO rights and NO privileges under the law except to be treated in a humane way while we, the people, have our policing agents escort their illegal asses OUT of OUR country! I'm glad that we apparently do agree on something.... The United States was founded on our Constitution. We, the people, can include, and EXCLUDE anyone we wish, and our president is empowered by the Constitution to do exactly that. It is solely up to what we, the people, want! And, as I said earlier, any American employer who hires illegal aliens should be punished SEVERELY, with a very large fine for the first offense, along with a mandatory prison sentence of not less than one full year, on a zero-tolerance basis. Actually, that alone would eliminate nearly a large part of the problem. These hyperliberal 'judges' are like a pack of hyenas who feast on every opportunity to obstruct Trump from taking perfectly LEGAL measures to protect this country and our LAWS!
And we have another anti-immigrant lobbying for socialism and left wing solutions. Some here want Trump to be a king.
Open borders is moronic. We have an immigration system for a reason. Perhaps there are people in this country who do not want to be exposed the 3rd world diseases that were eradicated in the US long ago. Perhaps there are people who do not want to import more criminals.
Yes, we do have an immigration system for a reason. It was forced into place by a liberal Democrat and it's purposes: 1) It's designed to give non-whites an advantage in becoming citizens 2) According to one of my critics, it helps maintain minimum wage laws See post # 91. One guy disagreeing with me listed these: benefits/ retirement, health insurance, worker's compensation,unemployment insurance, and Social Security safety and health compliance work for non-U.S. citizens (The Immigration and Nationality Act ensures that only U.S. citizens and individuals with work visas can be hired, and every business must keep on file I-9 eligibility forms for applicable employees.) working conditions/ safety/ OSHA equal opportunity employment privacy regulations All are for the enforcement of left wing, socialist laws. So, yes, the immigration system serves a purpose. A free market would serve it better.
Before Trump became a Republican, he voted Democrat. If his wall fails, maybe you can get this guy to run and build you one:
We have established immigration LAWS in the United States which, among other things, provide a well-documented "pathway" to citizenship, and provisions for those alien workers who want to take advantage of LEGALLY-offered jobs in the United States through 'work-visas', 'Green Card' permits, etc. The 'unalienable rights' you refer to are ascribed by 'the Creator" in the Declaration of Independence, and enumerated in the Bill of Rights. There RIGHTS belong to CITIZENS of the United States of America... not just anybody who happens to wander in across our borders without invitation or permission! In my long life I have watched this whole rotten situation with illegal aliens devolve into the mess we have today. I blame American EMPLOYERS more than anyone else, frankly, because they started the downhill slide right after World War II. Next in line for blame are all the hyperliberal, 'socialist-lite' Democrat politicians who enabled the whole "anchor-babies" paradigm, enabling swarms of illegal aliens to literally 'anchor' themselves, legally, into this country, and start sucking on 'welfare straws'. This is nothing new! All of this cultivation of illegal aliens by Democrats started way back in the 1960's... I watched it happen with my own eyes. Personally, I happen to like Mexican people, Mexican culture, and the Spanish language a lot! I wish I had learned to speak Spanish fluently instead of German. When a person can speak Spanish, he can converse, generally, with nearly everyone from Texas to the South Pole. But who can you speak German with in the United States...? Liking or disliking any group of people hasn't got ANYTHING to do with it. But observance of, and respect for the LAW is the commanding principle. Today, we have next to no observance of the borders or the immigration processes. Illegal aliens, many of them criminals, are literally running amok in American cities. We need to get illegal aliens of all races and ethnic origins out of our country -- ALL of them! People who come here legally are welcome -- ALL of them! Want to hear a truly beautiful song? I understand Spanish much better than I speak it, and this song says a LOT to us all, in any language:
How about in areas of industry or education or technology where we can derive much benefit from their abilities. There are brilliant people from other countries who are able to enhance our knowledge and ability.
Obviously you have a lack of understanding about the America as envisioned by our forefathers. Unalienable Rights are not given by a government. Neither are they limited to being a citizen. You cannot control immigration by denying unalienable Rights. You solve the immigration debacle by getting the government out of the practice of trying to control people. You preserve the PRIVACY of the the American people and we get our own people ready and incentivize them to work AND incentivize (NOT FORCE) employers to hire their American brethren at a decent wage.
Yes, after examining the issue, it is clear that the 14th Amendment does indeed open a door that allows the country to be flooded with illegal aliens -- legally! So, even a relatively unsophisticated, uneducated 'Mamacita" in Mexico figured out that all she had to do was waddle her fat, pregnant ass over the U. S. border, plop her offspring on "soil" of the United States, and -- Voilà -- thanks to the interpretation of U. S. law that favors it, the offspring, the parents, and just about anybody else claiming to be some kind of a 'blood relative' could also come piling over the border and get on the big American welfare "gravy train"! Trump was right about one thing when he said: "A nation without borders is not a nation at all." So, come one, come all! Feast on the "Beggars' Banquet" of the great American Welfare State (except now it's an "open table" for the entire planet, evidently). You and the ~50% of the population here that are already on one kind of welfare-suck or another can fight over the carcass of our great, moribund American "cow" until there's nothing left of it. And when the last scrap is gone, you can turn on EACH OTHER! . -- "Country? What country...?"
No one is claiming that only Americans have unalienable rights. We're just saying they don't have the right to live here - which is NOT an unalienable right. Go get your unalienable rights in your own country. And if you aren't capable of managing that, you are not capable of holding citizenship in this republic.
You are exactly saying that. Early in this country's history, non-whites came here by the droves to work in the United States yet they could never become citizens. You simply do not understand the differences between unalienable Rights and the privileges / benefits of citizenship. The law is, like it or not, the moment your feet hit this soil, you are guaranteed certain Rights regardless of HOW you got here. I know you don't like it. I realize you disagree. But, it is the bottom line from the United States Supreme Court and is consistent with the foundational principles this nation was built upon. You can always start an effort to amend the Constitution - other than that, this kind of discussion is mental masturbation.
The primary (if not only) duty of a state is to ensure the saftey of it's citizens. This is, of course, best done by protecting the border. It is with this background that I am against open borders. If we are to have a nation state at all, it has to be regarded as the private property of the inhabitants and just like individuals would not let anyone into their property, the government should do the same.
Who each individual allows onto their property is that person's business. In refusing to READ THE THREAD, you have ignored the Constitution Free Zone issue and its precedent packing potential to the Freedoms and Liberties of all the people in the United States. Your rhetoric fails to address the substantive issues.
Immigration laws, national sovereignty trumps private property rights. So, just because you have private property, this does not allow federal law to be ignored, just because you think it is your property and you can then legally bring in illegal aliens to your own property. The substantive issue is whether nations are sovereign or not. They always have been, for good reason. Intelligence created border, law, sovereignty. Unintelligence, rainbows and unicorn idealism has always been a tale told by an idiot. It is destructive idealism, by irresponsible minds. Generally those minds, or persons which are not hurt by the idiocy, and who want cheap yard boys, nannies and maids because they are too greedy to pay legal citizens. It is the same mentality that wants unskilled labor, poor people, to move at will into a nation that is in deep debt, welfare systems already strained, with a big labor surplus, unable to employ its own people. So, bring more people in? It isn't bad enough, and we need to make it worse, to create more fiscal problems, and greater social instability. For obviously the people who want this will not suffer from it. But it sure makes them feel good about themselves, in their disconnected from reality idealism. People who live in bubbles have this luxury...doesn't hurt them so to hell with everyone else. Not like you are gonna support them, let them move in with you. For if this were the case, your ideals would be flushed down the toilet with the rest of the crap you are peddling. Too bad they don't teach wisdom when you get the higher education. But wisdom like common sense is uncommon. But we do have well educated idiots.
Oh quit with your 5th grade history. The law does not address rights for non-citizens. BTW - the word "unalienable" does not refer to aliens. Just so you know.
