Our Current State of the Union

A friend sent this commentary by Dave Ramsey. I read it and, though somewhat depressing, I find it to be undeniably true. In the big picture.....I know it will all play out well, but we need to consider where we are and focus on how we are to change it. Thoughts?

Dave has a point !!! Our country, as summarized by Dave Ramsey: “This morning, I realized that everything is about to change. No matter how I vote, no matter what I say, lives are never going to be the same. I have been confused by the hostility of family and friends. I look at people I have known all my life so hate-filled that they agree with opinions they would never express as their own. I think that I may well have entered the Twilight Zone. You can't justify this insanity. We have become a nation that has lost its collective mind. We see other countries going Socialist and collapsing, but it seems like a great plan to us. Somehow it’s un-American for the census to count how many Americans are in America. People who say there is no such thing as gender are demanding a female President. Universities that advocate equality, discriminate against Asian-Americans in favor of African-Americans. Some people are held responsible for things that happened before they were born, and other people are not held responsible for what they are doing right now. Criminals are caught-and-released to hurt more people, but stopping them is bad because it's a violation of THEIR rights. People who have never owned slaves should pay slavery reparations to people who have never been slaves. After legislating gender, if a dude pretends to be a woman, you are required to pretend with him. It was cool for Joe Biden to "blackmail" the President of Ukraine, but it’s an impeachable offense if Donald Trump inquiries about it. People who have never been to college should pay the debts of college students who took out huge loans for their degrees. Immigrants with tuberculosis and polio are welcome, but you’d better be able to prove your dog is vaccinated. Irish doctors and German engineers who want to immigrate to the US must go through a rigorous vetting process, but any illiterate gang-bangers who jump the southern fence are welcomed. $5 billion for border security is too expensive, but $1.5 trillion for “free” health care is not. If you cheat to get into college you go to prison, but if you cheat to get into the country you go to college for free. And, pointing out all this hypocrisy somehow makes us "racists"! Nothing makes sense anymore, no values, no morals, no civility and people are dying of a Chinese virus, but it is racist to refer to it as Chinese even though it began in China. We are clearly living in an upside-down world where right is wrong and wrong is right, where moral is immoral and immoral is moral, where good is evil and evil is good, where killing murderers is wrong, but killing innocent babies is right. Wake up America. The great unsinkable ship Titanic America has hit an iceberg, is taking on water and sinking fast.”

 

And once the TItanic hit the iceberg, it was doomed. The USA is doomed. Nothing can change the fact that the United States has committed national suicide. Analogously, the United States is in stage 4 cancer.

 

So life is complex. Its as if some think the issues and conflicts outlined in the OP are not also happening around the world in their own way shape and form.

America has weathered greater storms than this one and kept right on goin' and growin'.


But if some formerly proud patriots have given up under assault of paranoid visions of ugly national heat death, perhaps they should seek shelter from the storm in some other location.

 

I am a proud Patriot. I did not storm the Capitol building with ANTIFA and our few crazies. We WILL weather this storm. We just need to endure the Globalist Scourge that has been beset upon us by the establishment. Yes Government control keeps on a "goin' and a growin'......but we will resist.

 

I think resistance to excessive government control is a civic duty. The form of that resistence is POLITICAL, not physical. that tension is a positive force, when not totally abused by demogogues like trump.

 

Can I say, that from outside America, the language in this thread looks very like something coming from a tinpot country in Africa.

I don't know how the lunatics took over the asylum, but you guys need to lock them back up with their inflammatory language, because I want to come over and see your beautiful country again.

 

OP: Trump's America. Hopefully the worst is over

 

That is a real convincing "establishment line". You must prefer "tamer" Republicans like Romney that can't get elected. LOL

 

yes, 4 years of Trump has hurt America and divided us, but we can recover from it, just not gonna be easy and will take time

 

Nice diversion, but you can't deny the perversion stated by Dave Ramsey here. Now you can have four years to bask in the deceit and perversion.

 

I predict anther 1929, Bush and Trump have set that in stone, but I think we will survive it, just gonna suck in the short term

 

Don't tell me the Biden Crime Family is going to deviate in any way from the perversions stated in the OP!

 

the Trump years are over... the deceit and perversion are leaving the white house soon

 

I just see a lot of cowardice here from the Trump haters that cannot deny where the left has taken this country....so they divert. Please address some of the perversions that Dave Ramsey has stated in the OP.

 

I don't believe Donald Trump was even mentioned in the OP. You can't address it so go your way!

 

I don't know who Dave Ramsey is, but his summation is spot on.

The only thing I would add that he omitted is that it is all being fueled by the Media and Social Media.

We were divided long before Trump. What was once a slight fracture has turned into a crack into a chasm into a gulf and there is no going back until the after the civil war in the near future.

 

I could do more than deny the perversion. I could say its absolute rubbish. White Americans are living just as well as ever, women are still women. And everything else he prattles on about are tiny side issues of no consequence to America as a whole.

America borrowed money from China equates to America has become communist, give me a break.

 

Let me rephrase that for you. I prefer moderate politicians of all persuasions that possess a modicum of intellect, integrity, honor who try to resolve grievances instead of inflame them.

Overall, I am a liberal with a few reactionary opinions. In the US i'd be considered left of marx.

 

I see the bulk of your comment is based on Race....the politics of racial identity to sow division. Give it up.

 

You speak the truth.

 

Are you suggesting that all the current and increasing turmoil is in reparation for a civil war that you seem to support??

Is a civil war the only path towards resolving the current crisis?? (and chronic issues)

What type of nation and leadership do you see as the outcome of said "civil war?""

America's teeth were cut on violence.........but one would have hoped it had evolved beyond that.

The US is in a vulnerable position now as it is........why would folks want to make it worse?? There seems to be a much bigger picture that is being ignored.

America is going through some major change / phase right now.........and the outcome is uncertain.............and concerning. So much will depend on the new leadership............ as some form of sanity must be restored.

 

I try to at all times.

 

State of the Union??? Reaching critical mass.

 

yes, many were upset when we elected the first black President, and it's only got worse from there, the Confederates are trying to rise again, luckily there is not enough of them, but they can cause trouble as we saw at the capital this week

ironically, this event may be what turns this around, never seen so many Republicans publicly speaking out on this and denouncing it, it gives me hope

 

I never said a word about reparations or preparations.

When you finish high school, you should go to college and take political science and sociology courses as electives.

The specific courses should revolve around internal conflicts and their causes. I have a BS in Law Enforcement, a BA in both Economics and Political Science, an MA in Political Science and a PhD in International Relations with certificates in Homeland Security and International Human Rights and am qualified to instruct you, but I don't really have the time.

Nation?

A nation is a homogenous population of the same race and ethnicity, and culture who speak the same language, revere the same heroes, celebrate the same holidays, and have a unique form of prose, poetry, drama and music.

The Cherokee are a nation. The Chickasaw are a nation. The Seminole are a nation. The Zulu are a nation. The Danes are a nation and nation-State. The Japanese are a nation and nation-State. The Austrians are a nation and nation-State.

The US is not now, nor has it ever been, a nation and it never will be a nation for all intents and practical purposes.

Only Leftists, Liberals, Communists and Socialists refer to the US as a "nation" in an attempt to crow-bar this federal republic into a unitary State.

And, for the record, there is no such thing as a "national debt" but there is a federal debt.

Only Leftists, Liberals, Commies and Socialists call it a "national debt."

Well, I said I had no time to instruct you, but I just taught you the difference between a nation, a nation-State, and a country which is what the US, Switzerland, Russia, China, India and many others are, but Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Denmark, Germany, etc are not.(because they are nation-States).

It would depend on the type of civil war.

One type of civil war is a war of colonial independence, which is what you did over 200 years ago, but which for propaganda reasons is called a "Revolutionary War,"

I think we can safely rule out a war of colonial independence.

Another type of civil war is a revolutionary war. The goal is removing the government and instituting a new governmental system and type of government. If you cannot find anywhere in your history where colonists invaded Britain and overthrew King George and implemented a new government, that's because it never happened, which is why it is wrong to refer your war of colonial independence as a revolutionary war.

The prevailing party in a civil war could certainly attempt to do that.

There are wars of nationalism or separatism. Take the Catalans in Spain. Had that devolved into fighting, that would be such a civil war.

A number of indigenous tribal groups in the US fought wars of nationalism for a very long time.

Irredentism is another type of civil war although technically it is an external conflict because it extends beyond a State's borders.

Even though it isn't, the Magyars think Transylvania is theirs and a conflict to regain that territory is an irredentist civil war. Bessarabia, the region between Moldova and Russia that encompasses Ukraine really was Romanian and attempts to regain that territory would be such a civil war, just like Serbia's rightful attempts to regain control of Kosovo-Metohija.

Oh, yeah, I forgot, Your Media conveniently forgot to mention Kosovo-Metohija.

That's because Metohija is in the west and is where the Serbs lived, while Kosovo is in the east and is where Albanian Muslims lived.

Mentioning Kosovo-Metohija might inadvertently give Americans the wrong impression; that Serbia really did have a legitimate claim to protecting Serbs who had lived in Metohija long before the Ottoman Turks came and centuries later gave land grants to Albanian Muslims.

That would have put BJ Clinton in a bit of a pickle and make it difficult to convince Americans that bombing Serbs was A-Okay.

Another kind of civil war is one of independence, like your Civil War. That is not based on national identity, rather on ideology and/or disenfranchisement.

That is a possibility. During a civil war, it is possible that one or more States, like Texas, might decide to bow out and now would be a good time to split from the whole freaking program.

There are also civil wars of restoration. Those often occur after a revolutionary war. Think of it as a counter-coup, where one groups takes power from another and then the dispossessed group regroups and counter-attacks. There have been wars of restoration that attempted to restore institutions that were abandoned, destroyed or decommissioned.

Lastly, there are civil wars of ideology or culture. Historically, these often have manifested as religious wars such as Catholics vs Protestants, Protestant Sect vs Protestant Sect, Sunni vs Shi'a, and such, but there are other examples based on culture or disenfranchisement.

That's what you can look forward to having.

It's unlikely the result of the civil war would alter the structure from federal republic to confederation or unitary State.

It's also unlikely the form of government, ie a republic, would be altered, and the Constitution would remain as the law of the land with the same governmental system.

The outcome would be that a particular ideological point of view would be put in its place and nary a peep heard about it again.

Violence is always an option.

However, to be justified, it is necessary to exhaust all non-violent means of protest first.

Once all non-violent means are exhausted or become futile, then violence is the only option remaining.

In case you forgot or didn't know, what Gandhi did was in a colony run by the British and for the purpose of gaining independence from Britain.

There is no comparable set of circumstances currently existing in the US, meaning comparisons to Gandhi are invalid.

The US as a country is not in a vulnerable position.

However, the US as a society/culture is.

Trump did not cause this. The country was divided long before, and I'd venture to guess you're a 20-something, so before you were even born.

It manifested itself during the Clinton Administration.

Do not misconstrue my words, I did not say BJ Clinton caused it, I'm simply saying it manifested, ie became obvious, apparent, visible at that time.

Things have progressively worsened, and they will continue to worsen until things come to a head, and I will stick myself out there and say around 2035-2040 it will be show time.

Then you will be severely disappointed, because Joe Hiden's got nothing and he ain't even running the show.

He's just a figure head and takes his orders from Harris who is the one who is really in charge.

Would things be different if Trump had won?

Nope. There's nothing he could have done for the same reason there's nothing Hiden-Harris can do.

Short of a cataclysmic event that causes the death of several Million Americans, there's nothing and no person who will bridge the gulf that has been created.

The cards have been dealt and you have to play the hand you got and no matter what card you play or in what sequence, the end result will be a civil war.