Why do they hate us? They hate us because they are evil. Thats it, huh? Thats the entire story? Yes. Theyre evil and they hate us because of our freedoms. I know theyre evil. I was just thinking that maybe if we understood what specifically seemed to trigger the Why are you apologizing for the terrorists? Im not. Theyre evil. You have no quarrel there. Its just that maybe if we understoo Why are you on the terrorists side? Im not! I hate the terrorists. I was just saying that we might be able to prevent the next Three thousand Americans are dead. How can you defend al Qaeda? Believe me, I was not defending them. What they did was horrific and inexcusable. Theyre evil. I was just Then why are you apologizing for them? Im not. Im trying to say that maybe there are lessons we can Why do you hate America? - Al Franken, Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them Hilarious because it is true!
They hate us because they are xenophobic nutjobs who fear any outside influence that might bring the slightest reform to their screwed theocratic societies and because we refuse to just cut Israel lose and abandon our alliances and friendships with them. That is why. Support for Israel is no legitimate casus belli against the USA. Neither is the results of the First Gulf War and the subsequent no fly zones. Neither is the assistance we granted to certain mujahadeen during the Soviet Occupation. Nothing the terorrists themselves have ever publically stated as a casus belli was ever legitimate. Neither is the prevention of a soviet backed dictator from rising in Iran in the 50's legitimate either. So unless you can point to the statement of a pro-terror jihadist that is a credible casus belli(cause for war) then I can see no reason other than mindless hatred.
I think you'll find US foreign policy is the big problem. If you stop murdering people, those people tend to consider you less of an enemy.
I think you'll find US foreign policy is the big problem. If you stop murdering people, those people tend to consider you less of an enemy.
Who were we murdering in the 90's when the Cole got bombed? Who were we murdering when the Khobar Tower Barracks were blown up? or the African Embassies.. all of which took place years before the invasion of Afghanistan. No, it was Americans getting murdered by the brutal stings coming out of the cave based hornet's nest called Afghanistan for 10 years while we did NOTHING. We literally spent the 90's doing NOTHING when attack after attack came our way. So please tell me who we were murdering? You act as if one day in October 2001 we just invaded Afghanistan for (*)(*)(*)(*)s and giggles. How many attacks did America have to sustain before it could finally fight back with something other than useless words in the UN? America never has been and never will be a weak, sniveling "Ghandi State" advocating pacifist resistance to an implacable enemy.
If you see your family incinerated by an American bomb, then you hate America. Pure and simple. Surely even the knuckledragging testosterone charged armchair generals in the USA can see that? Causes and justifications are different things. They are not the same thing. Many islamofascists are evil people motivated by an evil ideology. That ideology sees Western liberalism as its greatest foe, in particular the Pauline doctrine of the separation of Church and State that is embodied by societies such as France and the USA. It embodies hatred of women and is the same ideology that throws acid in the faces of little girls for the crime of going to school. There are fewer more disgusting ideologies than those espoused by islamofascists. Nevertheless, the use of excessive force by the USA, the UK and Israel, particularly against civilians or where civilians suffer extensive collateral damage, is aa reason why some people misguidedly choose to follow such evil. As is the trashing of the power of democracy and the rule of law as an ideology, when people see democracies imprisoning people without trial in Guantanamo Bay and abusing prisoners in the same gaols where Saddam practised his own atrocities. These factors are causes of support for evil ideologies. They are not justifications. Dumb-as-a-brick testosterone charged armchair generals might find that argument a little complex for their three braincells.
So tell me, if America wasn't retaliating when all these attacks were happening, then how was it not a "Ghandi State" (whatever that is)? The point is not whether the US is more sinned against than sinning. That is the moral relativist point from the Stalinist Left. The USA has always had blood on its hands and has committed excesses. The point is that none of those excesses justifies aligning yourself with theocratic scumbags who throw acid in the faces of little girls for the crime of going to school. The rest of the discussion is how you win such a black and white argument. Should be easy eh? The problem is that America has messed that up. What should be a very easy argument to communicate and win has been obscured by the hypocrisy of American exceptionalists. If America was consistent to its message that liberty, democracy and the rule of law are universal values for the whole of mankind, it would win every argument without a whimper. The trouble is that too many Americans think that these things are only for Americans, something that the Founding Fathers would have found abhorrent. And so the argument is lost and good people start to support evil causes. And little girls continue to have acid thrown in their faces or are stoned to death for adultery. "The cause of America, is the cause of all mankind". Thomas Paine
You are all (EDIT: Soften insult) a bunch of £¥#%^* (EDIT: ), except for Indofred, possibly Heroclitus and a few others. During the 1960's, 70's, 80's the United States dramatically adjusted the composition of Saudi leadership creating the perfect puppet state. During the same period the United States created a puppet state in Iran which was overthrown by Iranians in a glorious day they today cherish. This accomplished 2 things: (1) The creation of Osama bin Laden and his terror network, and (2) An Iran belligerent against US interests. The third effect was the creation of Israel in the 1940's, 1950's which saw a displacement of Arabic/Persian inhabitants a loss of land, and insult to nationalistic pride. Whether or not the creation and existence of Israel was right or wrong, the displacement and treatment of people living there at the time angered the Middle East against US interests. It is really as £¥#%^* simple as that. Or what... You think the Middle East hates you for no reason? Ignoring the fault of the US in its foreign policy blowback will only doom future US administrations to ignorance and failure.
The situation in Syria right now is just perfect for creating more terrorism against Americans and the West. Saudi Arabia, the GCC, Turkey and Egypt are all very concerned about the carnage. (Mecca calls it genocide) If the US jumps in, we disempower those countries and make them appear weak or inept. If we can sit on our hands and let them handle Syria, we're ALL better off.
How exactly did the US "dramatically adjust the composition of the Saudi leadership"? I can't wait to hear your answer.
Can you do your own research, please? I am surprised by your "American's Conclusion" reached after having done zero research. Granted, your feelings count as research too, however you are perhaps sorely manipulated by American nationalism refusal to see the bad is necessary to become good. I hope you will see the existence of cause and effect soon. Wish you well.
I know alot about Saudi Arabia, friend.. I lived there.. Now how did the US "dramatically adjust their leadership".... or are you FOS?
Hahahaha.. That's nuts. OBL's family was from Yemen and they were NOT royalty they were businessmen. The nationalization of ARAMCO was seamless and it was written into the original concession documents in the 1930s. Assassinations???? You mean when good King Faisal will killed by his drug addict nephew? No one was exiled. You don't know anything at all about Saudi Arabia. Quit making up tall tales.
You are indoctrinated. Please... Look at the condition of Saudi Arabia BEFORE the ARAMCO nationalization, and AFTER the nationalization. Look at the condition of Iran BEFORE and AFTER US meddling. Your lies cannot ignore reality. And moreover, your lies are damaging to the US security. By ignoring the US responsibility in its own condition you deny the administration the ability to see the remedies.
Saudi ARAMCO is the largest and most successful Oil company in the world.. and they are pumping 10 million bpd.. Iran came out of the British model.. so did Iran.. That is the difference. When were you in Saudi Arabia?
