https://news.yahoo.com/standing-tall-scientists-oldest-example-180152752.html Standing tall: Scientists find oldest example of upright ape (in Bavaria not Africa) BERLIN (AP) — The remains of an ancient ape found in a Bavarian clay pit suggest that humans' ancestors began standing upright millions of years earlier than previously thought, scientists said Wednesday. An international team of researchers says the fossilized partial skeleton of a male ape that lived almost 12 million years ago in the humid forests of what is now southern Germany bears a striking resemblance to modern human bones. In a paper published by the journal Nature, they concluded that the previously unknown species — named Danuvius guggenmosi — could walk on two legs but also climb like an ape. The findings "raise fundamental questions about our previous understanding of the evolution of the great apes and humans," said Madelaine Boehme of the University of Tuebingen, Germany, who led the research. The oldest anthropoid jaw bone is from Europe too. Sorry I have no reference at the moment. The bone was dug up by WW1 Brit troops digging trenches. There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy [science]. Just Say "No!" to "out of Africa" propaganda. Simians evolved first in Asia, yknow. Moi Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic, regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
That ape man may have been the first to get the hell out of that continent. For who would remain in a place like Africa? Most people over time got the hell out? Who can blame them? Too many parasites and diseases !
This article does not state that this species was an ancestor of modern humans or that the genus homo did not evolve from Africa. I don't know of any reason to doubt the "Out of Africa" theory for the origins of homo. Some of our genetic inheritance comes from Neanderthals and Denisovans, both of the genus homo that lived outside of Africa.
I should have mentioned that the "Out of Africa " theory pertains only to the origins of modern humans, Homo sapiens. Homo erectus also evolved in Africa and the predecessor of Homo erectus, probably Homo habilis also evolved from Africa. Its likely predecessor, a species of Australopithecus, also evolved in Africa.
Racist dimwits feel threatened by human history. This 'finding' will likely be discredited within the week. The same thing has played out many times before.
WHY evoke "racism" ? Consider, with bamboo, Asiatic Paleolithic Man had no place in the archeological record. I do believe in multi foci evolution with Continuity Through Continuous Hybridization Best Exemplified in "Quest For Fire". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quest_for_Fire_(film) Some serious anthropology brains worked on that film And that a group, tribe, might understand "outbreeding" adds to the strength of the tribe as scene. For over a decade I debated an Anthropology graduate about Neanderthal hybridization. Guess who won No Racism Required. Just weigh the evidence. Not someone else digestion of it. <sigh>
I find this article interesting because I wasn't aware of fossilized apes that were more than 10 million years old and that some of them have been found outside of Africa. It is roughly 7 million years older than Ardipithecus ramidus, a possible human ancestor. Note the mention of another ancient Europeon ape in the Nature article, Rudapithecus hungericus, that may have been bipedal. This is copied from Nature.com. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03418-2 If this conclusion is widely accepted by scientists, it could shed some light on how — and when — bipedal walking evolved, which is currently a mystery. The 4.4-million-year-old hominin Ardipithecus ramidus was clearly bipedal2, and there are hints of bipedalism in some species that are between 6 million3 and 7 million years old4. But D. guggenmosi seems to suggest that walking on two feet evolved before the hominin branch of the evolutionary tree split from the branch that includes modern chimpanzees and bonobos, which happened roughly 7 million years ago. The latest study comes a few weeks after a separate research team, which Begun was part of, described a 10-million-year-old pelvis belonging to another ancient European ape, Rudapithecus hungaricus. Features of the pelvis implied R. hungaricus also had a long and flexible lower back, indicating it too might have been a tree-dwelling biped6. This raises the possibility that today’s knuckle-walking chimps and gorillas evolved from a bipedal ancestor, and that modern humans might have inherited bipedalism directly from animals such as D. guggenmosi. But David Alba, a palaeontologist at the Catalan Institute of Palaeontology in Barcelona, Spain, cautions against seeing D. guggenmosi’s way of moving as a precursor to our walking style. That, he thinks, is “too specific and might be an overinterpretation” — particularly given that Böhme and Begun’s team has not yet conducted an evolutionary analysis to determine how, or whether, D. guggenmosi is related to hominins. DeSilva says that it would be unwise to assume a direct line of descent, because D. guggenmosi is much older than the earliest known hominin fossils. But the discovery of D. guggenmosi is important even if it turns out not to represent a staging post on the path to hominin bipedalism, he says, because that would suggest apes evolved bipedalism more than once. D. guggenmosi could then provide clues about the kinds of conditions that encourage apes to walk on two feet. Here are some portions of the article from livescience.com. I was wondering about the height and weight of the creature. https://www.livescience.com/danuvius-ape-new-species.html Now, scientists have unearthed a new fossil great ape with complete limb bones that lived during the Miocene about 11.62 million years ago in what is now Bavaria in Germany. The paleontologists named the species Danuvius guggenmosi. "Danuvius" is derived from the Celtic-Roman river god Danuvius, and "guggenmosi" honors Sigulf Guggenmos, who discovered the site where the fossil was found. Intriguingly, "Danuvius is like an ape and a hominin in one," study lead author Madelaine Böhme, a paleontologist at the Eberhard Karls University of Tübingen in Germany, told Live Science. The researchers estimated Danuvius weighed between 37 and 68 lbs. (17 and 31 kilograms). The males would have been larger than the females, suggesting Danuvius favored polygyny, where males had multiple female mates, Böhme said. In addition, unlike other apes, such as gibbons and orangutans, which don't use their legs as much as their arms for movement, Danuvius would have held its legs straight and could have walked upright while moving around in trees. Danuvius also had a grasping big toe, which meant it would have walked on its soles. Moreover, its elbows, lower spine and shin bones were more like one might expect of a human, Böhme said. All in all, Danuvius didn't favor either its arms or legs in movement, but appeared to use both about equally, the researchers said. Böhme and her colleagues suggested this newly identified type of locomotion, which they dubbed "extended limb clambering," may be the ancestral form of movement for both modern great apes and humans. This is from bbc.com. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-50305423 The new research, published in the journal Nature, suggests our upright posture may have originated in a common ancestor of humans and great apes who lived in Europe - and not in Africa, as previously thought. The fossils of Danuvius guggenmosi, which lived 11.62 million years ago, suggest that it was well adapted to both walking upright on two legs as well as using all four limbs while climbing like an ape. These findings suggest that bipedal walking evolved in the trees over 12 million years ago, the researchers said. "Danuvius combines the hindlimb-dominated bipedality of humans with the forelimb-dominated climbing typical of living apes," explained Prof David Begun, a researcher from the University of Toronto.
PC says YOU are just racist. Even though the oldest anthropoid fossil, upper jaw I believe, is from Europe. And considering all agree Simians first evolved in Asia Why is Eurasian "Man" so hard to believe. And if you do you are a racist, y'know. Moi Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic, regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
I want reparations for my ancestors being driven off of the mother continent. Look what they did to us. I'm all white for God's sakes. Where are my reparations?
