Over unity devices real or fake.

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  1. freddy62

    freddy62 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are over unity devices for electricity generation real or fake. Is the bloke in the video below real and what do you think of the subject and the proposition that power can be extracted from a vaccume. Is a vaccume really an empty space or can it act as a portal to channel energy?

    [video]https://youtu.be/_iMokLg9-eY[/video]
     
  2. Anders Hoveland

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    Yes, theoretically there is no inherent reason why work cannot be extracted from vacuum energy. No one has been able to figure out how to make a workable machine to do this, however.

    It would be like trying to extract energy from ambient heat energy in the air, without any sort of heat gradient between hot and cold. No one has been able to figure out how to do it, though theoretically it is possible. Now obviously if the temperature is high enough, that heat starts radiating shorter infrared and visible wavelengths that could be converted through a photovoltaic cell (assuming you can build one that can survive this level of heat).
     
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    Over unity devices are snake oil machines for con men.
     
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    freddy62 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Some undoubtedly are but what is in a vacuum?
     
  5. Anders Hoveland

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    Quantum physicists believe that a vacuum contains energy—a tremendous amount of energy.
    It is commonly known in physics that matter has an equivalence to energy but what is less well known is that empty space does as well. The nature of this energy is very poorly understood right now.

    My personal opinion is that this energy represents primarily ultra-long wavelength electromagnetic energy, which of course is existing in a sort of equilibrium. With all this energy sloshing around, sometimes virtual particles transiently come into existence. I would compare it to air pressure, just because there are tremendous forces at work does not mean we can easily notice them. In the case of vacuum energy there is a tremendous amount of coherence (or interference) effects that prevents any of this energy from being dumped out onto matter on a small scale. For the same reason that light can travel straight through a transparent medium without losing its entangled state, even though it is transiently absorbed and re-emitted (which explains why the velocity of light is slower in water than it is in a vacuum)
     
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    Isn't that Maxwell's Demon? And isn't what you're describing a Perpetual Motion Machine of the Second Kind, being one that violates the Second Law of Thermodynamics? As I understand it Perpetual Motion machines are the only things that the US Patent office refuses even to look at for patents

    OTOH I have heard of the vacuum energy and understand it is quite substantial, but also quite unobtainable.

    Maybe we need some unobtainium?..:roll:
     
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    Some times,

    y'gotta believe
     
  8. Anders Hoveland

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    Yes, exactly right.

    The "Second Law of Thermodynamics" is actually not a fundamental universal law but a general statistical rule. There is no absolute reason to believe it must always hold true under any and all circumstances. If I can give a parallel to this, "Planck's law" for blackbody radiation does not hold true under all circumstances, such as in photonic crystals.
     
  9. Nathan Coppedge

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    I don't mean to sound superstitious, but this looks like a 'for dummies' program.

    We probably shouldn't trust anyone who looks like they're advertising a sci-fi novel.

    I have documented some of the problems at least with magnet machines HERE: https://www.quora.com/If-it-were-possible-why-would-a-motor-powered-by-magnets-exclusively-be-considered-a-perpetual-motion-machine-Why-arent-magnets-considered-an-external-energy-source-thereby-not-causing-such-a-device-to-be-considered-a-perpetual-motion-machine/answer/Nathan-Coppedge

    If you want a selection of videos that were not faked, I'm afraid you will have to go for the simple stuff. And, the results aren't always obvious or dramatic: http://www.nathancoppedge.com/Perpetual_Motion.html

    http://www.nathancoppedge.com/Generato.html

    Or, you can go directly to perhaps the only authentic youtube channel on perpetual motion experiments. Maybe I'm out of the loop, but from my perspective it looks like good stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS8Jxv0F12Q&list=PLcttXCrYoAgMhZ3f3nf3PRsJqMuKRrn7D

    Anyway, good luck with this stuff, even if you don't agree that I have provided some partial evidence.

    ---Nathan Coppedge
    philosopher, artist, inventor, poet
    I.Q. estimated to be somewhere between 92 and 222.
     

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