Parkland student questioned by school security for visiting gun range

I remember when that photo whe was taken, at the time only civilians owned AR-15's, they were being sold in the sporting goods stores as hunting rifles years before the U.S. Army adopted the military version of the AR-15 the M-16.



Colt AR-15 advertising 1962.

 

Indeed.

AR15's have been in civilian hands since the 50's.

Suddenly, they're a "problem".

 

No one is saying we want to take away all guns. I’m sure he would consider gun restrictions...

 

Where have I refused any kind of gun control? I think we have plenty of laws on the books that aren't being enforced, and I think some of those laws could be tweaked for better enforcement. And why would that be limited to rightwingers only? I know a few socialists personally that want just about every gun law currently on the books lifted, and I don't believe that is a good idea at all. How do you know what JFK would or wouldn't support? Professing to know what someone would, or wouldn't, support without evidence is a bizarre leap of logic. You can believe he would supported gun control (you didn't
even really define what you mean by "gun control" and I'm a bit curious on that) all you want, but to go as far as to make the claim that he would support "gun control" is a false claim.

You should be careful of building straw men and making false claims without evidence. It's a terrible debating tactic and one that can be demolished easily as I demonstrated above. If you really are a teacher I'd like to think you'd be better at this.

 

Ok....I didn’t say YOU refused any kind of gun control.
You are correct that I do not know what JFK would or wouldn’t support but sometimes we speak metaphorically...
I will be careful not to use any word usage that you will take literally.
Something I am really finding funny is how the NRA conference is banning guns. they said, guns don’t kill only people.

 

No one? Seriously? There is a a certain senator from California that would disagree with you that goes by the name of Dianne Feinstein. There are others besides her that want to ban guns Currently there is a bill that's been proposed by house Democrats that would ban all semi automatic firearms that has a lot of support from their base. That's basically every gun minus bolt actions and revolvers. Heck... some double action revolvers might qualify on that bill.

I've asked this before and you've never answered. Let's say your side is successful in banning the AR-15 rifle. Then about six months later some guy with a bolt action rifle pulls off another Charles Whitman? Do you want to go after those next? What happens if someone uses handguns, or a pump action shotgun in a mass shooting? Are those on the chopping clock too? You may say you don't want to take away all guns, yet you seem fine with creating the slippery slope that would most likely lead to just that, and possibly the repeal of the second amendment. How far are you wanting to go in your quest of banning guns?

 

I remember seeing some ArmaLite AR-15's in the gun stores in 1959 and 1960 before Colt bought the rights to manufacture the AR-15.

The AR-15 was sold as a hunting rifle and as a survival rifle.

Except for varmint hunters, most hunters rejected the AR-15 because they were old schooled and were turned off by stamped steel and aluminum and a plastic stock. Back in the day it had to be cold hard forged steel that was milled and a hardwood stock preferably walnut.

Every deer season I'm seeing more and more hunter with AR's.

Before 1980 the U.S. military didn't classify the M-16 as an assault rifle because it didn't meet the definition of being an assault rifle because it was chambered for a high power varmint cartridge, the Remington .223 (5.56 X 45mm)

I carried a M-16A1 for 14 months and not once was the M-16 called an assault rifle. At the time there were only two assault rifles in the world, the Sturmgewehr-44 and the AK-47.

Before the 1980's the M-16 was just a service rifle or an infantry rifle, not an assault rifle.

 

All for $189.50....

I believe the very first designs were for .308 NATO, the AR-10 then redesigned.

As you already know, statistically, the AR-15 etc is not the problem.
Existing laws are not being enforced.
That & insufficient mental health treatment accessibility are the primary problems.

 

you’re taking Feinstein out of context. She never said she want to ban all guns.
This is useless...it’s like abortion arguments. People see all or nothing

 

What does the word "all" mean to you?

 

I carried the A2 and it was still not called an "assault rifle".

 

True you didn't say I refused, so I'll retract that statement. I tend to take what people say at face value a bit much at times, it's an old habit.

The thing with the NRA conference though is beyond their control. I'm no fan of the NRA, but what's happening is a secret service issue due to Pence speaking there. Also, they don't own the venue and can't dictate the rules of said venue if it's a gun free zone (I don't know if it is or not, I'm just saying if it is they can't change the rules of something they don't own). I've yet to figure out why so many people get freaked out by an organization of roughly five million people that don't represent a majority of gun owners.
And their claim is that guns don't kill people, people kill people. And taken literally is a correct statement. It takes a person to operate a gun. Guns aren't just jumping up and going after people and shooting them. Neither are knives cutting people on their own, or baseball bats beating people on their own, etc...
And you just made me defend the NRA. I might need a shower.

 

I didn't hear anything about being told his Miranda warning, his right to an attorney, and his right to remain silent, or any warning that what he says can be used against him.

 

But she was for banning and taking away politically incorrect guns just as another democrat has come out for.

 

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You’re right only the politically correct don’t want mass shooting (tongue in cheek)

 

I'm taking her out of context? This is from her 60 Minutes interview in 1995. Pay close attention to her own words.



Now, it is possible she's talking about only assault weapons (whatever those are. Anything used as a weapon in an assault is an assault weapon.), and not all guns, but she's not being very clear here, and one can assume she's talking about banning all guns.

 

Then put the nutcases in mental institutions. Oh wait, progressives got that banned.

 

Miranda warnings? Where do you think we are, Ameri... Oh wait.

 

This is what you want to stop.

“Assault rifle” saves teenagers from home invasion burglars

 

The AR-10 isn't dead and the U.S. military might go with the AR-10 chambered for a different cartridge than the Winchester .308 (7.62 X 51mm NATO)

Have you seen this ?

The AR-10 is mentioned here.
Three Rifles That Could Replace the Army's M4A1 Carbine...-> https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a26700/new-rifles-replace-army-m4a1-carbine/

 

How many NRA members know when Miranda warnings are given?
It seems at least 2 do not.

 

I'm not an NRA member. Why do you make false statements so often?

And like you'd care if they had actually arrested Kyle for his tweet. You'd probably say you that understand why he was arrested. I'm being a bit hyperbolic, and I could be wrong, but I have a feeling I wouldn't be.

 

His parents need to teach him what I tell my kids to tell the school or doctors if they ask about firearms in the house...tell the it's none of their effin business.

 

I haven't seen much in your posts that have been right, and this is no exception.
Even Vman came in and proved you wrong, by using the word all leftists. After you called me out for him doing such a thing.