Part 10 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Lets really hope the kid gets to make up his own mind. Wouldn't want him/her to be in the eternal torture chamber now.

 

He can't answer the flood question.
There is no good answer.
He has avoided answering all questions regarding the flood story. Or has been very vague. He has no belief he can share about it.

 

Noah's flood or the global flood as reveal in the Bible Genesis 7,8 and 10 has been well expanded, discussed, debated and finally concluded at this thread http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=335065 it is concluded that Noah flood did occurred every one agrees that flooding is possible as supported by science, history and current events the only thing that is being settle is it global? Even the staunches opponents of Christianity agree that regional flooding is possible, did happened, is still happening and scientist all over the world have been working closely with engineers and world leaders to prepare us from what they believe will be another "Global flooding".

Here is a video I know some people don't like to watch scientific videos
[video=youtube;YtZhPGo9wtw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtZhPGo9wtw[/video]
For those who prefer to read here is a link and hopefully they'll read it even Steven Hawking agree that earth will go under water.

http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/24-04-2013/124410-humanity_space-0/

The word 'apocalypse' appears in the media on a regular basis. Some scientists believe that the planet will be destroyed as a result of the Third World War, others believe that it will be a deluge. Some others predict an impact with an asteroid. The list is endless. Recently, however, the most popular idea is the idea of ​​global warming. Thus, according to forecasts of Australian scientists, by 2300, due to global warming, humanity will not be able to exist normally on Earth. A change of the thermal regime will change the moisturizing regime. All this may undermine the natural water cycle. The speed of the increase of temperatures and the reaction of the entire climate system to this factor will play a decisive role in the process.

According to Australian experts, in 300 years, more than 40 percent of land will be flooded. The remaining part of the land will quickly use up all available resources and become unsuitable for human life. The scientists say that in 300 years, average annual temperatures will grow by 12 degrees, which will have a devastating impact on people. It is quite possible that we do not have 1,000 years to live on this planet, as Hawking said. Will mankind be able to live in space?

 

WILL YOU STOP LYING. It was not agreed that the Genesis version of the flood occured. That flooding occurs is obvious, even severe flooding, but nothing on the level of the Genesis account.

 

What question did I avoid and how was I vague ?

Feel free to criticize but make some sense when you are doing so.

Accusing me of trying to deny reality, as the literalists must do in order to maintain their position, without specifying what you are talking about is just spouting gibberish.

 

Not you. Mitt. Mitt hasn't given an account of the flood story. He usually ignores or switches the topic.

 

Got it ... Yes, denial of reality, demonization of your opponent, and subterfuge are a part of the toolbox required to maintain literalist beliefs.

 

It's fiction until you prove it's fact not the other way around.

 

I am glad you watched a video with some science. Unfortunately for your position however this video does not support the Noah account and in fact helps to refute it.

1) Even if all the ice melted water would not cover the entire earth. This is relatively easy to calculate and has been done.

2) The last ice age ended around 14,000 years ago ( kind of blows a hole in the 5000 year theory already). Sea level was much lower of course due to all the water trapped in the ice.

Humanity tends to build cities near the oceans. When the major melt started to happen a few thousand years later sea level rose which flooded major settlements around the globe. This is why every culture has flood stories.

We find these ancient cities underwater and they date much older than 5000 years ago.

The idea that some fellow put two of every species on the planet into a relatively small boat does not even pass the giggle test and has zero plausibility.

How long do you think it took Noah and 3 sons to collect 2 polar bears from the Arctic ?
How long to collect 2 spectacled bears from South Africa, Kangaroo's from Australia ?

 

Conclusive to one person is not necessarily conclusive to another.
But, 6 days of earth and universe creation. Nope.
Flood the entire world 4-5K yrs ago. Nope.
Man 1st appeared 6-10K yrs ago. Nope.

 

how did you manage to bugger that up so comprehensively?

the description of the grandparents reaction given in my original post was that observed when they're in COMPANY. as in, our company.

my kids find such caveats as "you must believe in god" hilarious. equally they're quite dazzled by the disinclination of grandparents to answer questions. thus they're always keen to pass on the details of these exchanges, if they happen when we're not around.

it's exceedingly unlikely my kids will ever be christians after the fashion of the non-thinking, if they were to become believers, since we've drummed into them the importance of critical thinking and reason. probably moot at this point, either way, since we're not talking about small children here. my kids are well past the age of innocent credulity.

 

Why would WanRen or anyone else for that matter need to have a hope for your re-conversion?

We are not here to convert or re-convert anyone. Don't rely on others, you need to seek the truth yourself. You need to seek God yourself. If you seek Him, you will find Him.

If you want there to be a God, then you will earnestly do your part to seek Him on your own, if not, then is there anything anyone can say to you to re-convert you?

Belief in God is about having faith. Not coming on these threads and asking believers to prove to you that God exist. Get it engrained in your head that no one can prove/disprove God's existence. It's all about having faith.

God said, "You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart."---Jeremiah 29:13 NIV

 

Jeremiah was speaking specifically to the exiled Hebrews. Jesus gave the command to go and make disciples of all nations. (That's if you accept the great commision is not a later addition).

Ooops back later, just realised the time.

 

What is there to lie about Genesis 7,8 and 10? Genesis 7.8 and 10 state it very clearly although in general terms it did clearly said about a global flooding a global flooding that modern science did agree in science own way in fact science account of global flooding is more severe than the Bible account science theory of mass extinction does it correlate with the Bible account?
[video=youtube;RuwSmDUTmxM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuwSmDUTmxM[/video]

Here is another theory the global flooding does not only involved liquid water but it also relate to snow, ice, ash and sand. In the Himalayas and other parts of cold and Arctic regions mountains will be cover with massive ice and snow and in the desert massive sand storm and with snow, ice and sand flooding their respective regions.

 

I have been posting scientific videos for a long time it is just that many anti Christians or anti Wanren refuse to accept these videos as scientific and educational because I posted it and the only logically explanation why they refuse and ignore these scientific videos is because it prove that science do recognize that a global flooding did occurred and that it will happen again that is why even Steven Hawking one of the great atheist scientist has been prophesying and warning the world about a global disaster unless we change our ways....sound familiar with the Bible don't you agree?

There are tons of snow in the mountains especially in the the Himalayas during severe snow or ice storm hardly any animals can survive especially humans.
The flooding in Noah's flood can also relate to massive snow and ice sheet covering the entire Himalayas and Arctic regions killing or making it very hostile environment for any animals to survive.

Yes, I agree the time line is one of the things that is still being studied but this does not mean that no global flooding did not occurred.

Also 6000 years ago human population is very minuscule their settlement build near areas that put them at risk from natural disaster the chance of having their entire settlement wiped out by weather disturbance is very likely that is why humans learn to build structures to protect their settlements from these weather destructive power.

Yes again I agree and finding them in under water prove that something catastrophic occurred that involved a massive flooding.

Some scientist are attempting to understand this and their theory is that is a species of every kind example the human kind is Noah and his family from them all other human races will evolved, bird kind that will evolved into different bird species, etc.

He probably didn't have to collect a pair of polar bear he just need a pair of bear kind that will later evolved into black bear, grizzly and polar bear.

Same thing Noah just need the original parent kind of each or everyone of those species.

 

I am very confident that I am more qualified than you in understanding the Bible but if you feel that you understand the Bible better than please share.
The Bible can defend itself on it's own I am only here to share the truth not to convert you, you have your own free will to chose the important thing is that you understand the truth after that it is up to you.

 

How in the world could science's account of global flooding be more severe than a flood that covers the entire planet and its mountain tops? Every video you've posted about the Earth flooding still says that there will be a massive amount of land uncovered. EVERY video. And yet you pretend that the videos say something that they don't. You're either lying, or you have an infant's grasp of language.

Not in any way since in the Bible NO creature went extinct due to Noah putting them on the Ark.

The K-T extinction happened MILLIONS of years ago. You are claiming that the Flood happened THOUSANDS of years ago.

Which in no way would be related to Noah's Flood since the Flood described in the Bible is in the form of liquid water.

 

You said that we agreed Noahs flood occured - as the Bible says. We did not. Global flooding involves water. You're talking about another ice age. I'm not getting involved in another pointless argument with you. You don't recognise the truth when it's put in front of you.

 

Surely this proves how little WarRen understands about almost anything. Now we have all the worlds bears evolving from one pair of bears in 8000 years. Fossils of bears from 500,000BCE have been found. All types and shapes and sizes of bears. In fact bear fossils are so common you can actually buy one if you so desire.
Cities under water. We know that land can rise or fall with movement in the earths crust. It is still happening today and measurements have been taken over many decades. An area of Sweden is proof of that. So its possible that after the last age the sea rose slightly, but as we have no proof of cities of that time it is likely that most cities have been 'sunk' by coastal erosion or earth movement, sometimes due to earthquakes

 

Yes, it was moral, you must understand that God had justifiable moral reasons. The Amalekites were sinful people. They committed a terrible sin against Israel. When the Israelites were weak and vulnerable the Amalekites attacked the weakest and most vulnerable of them. They did this when the Israelites were coming out of Egypt. Scripture tells us,

"Remember what the Amalekites did to you along the way when you came out of Egypt. When you were weary and worn out, they met you on your journey and attacked all who were lagging behind; they had no fear of God. When the Lord your God gives you rest from all the enemies around you in the land he is giving you to possess as an inheritance, you shall blot out the name of Amalek from under heaven. Do not forget!"---Deut. 25:17-19 NIV

Violence and greed were the reasons the Amalekites did this to the Israelites. And God hated this when the stronger Amalekites did this over the weaker Israelites taking full advantage on God's people the Israelites.

It must be noted that God mercifully gave them the opportunity to repent, over 400 years to repent but they did not and so He punished them and rightfully so. With God time doesn't erase sin, only the blood of Jesus Christ can erase sin, but not time. Hundreds of years later the Amalekite people were still with hardened unrepentant hearts and sinning as they always had in years gone by.

We are not to judge anyone, for we are all sinners in need of a Savior. There are many sins that are transgressions of God, the sin of homosexuality is just one of them.

In the book of Leviticus there are 18 Forbidden Sexual Practices of which homosexuality is one of them. Then of course we have those other sins such as murder, adultery, lying, stealing, etc.

So one could say we are all sick in sin and not just single out the homosexuals as being sick, therefore we are all in need of a Savior and God has provide us one in His only begotten Son Jesus Christ our Lord Savior!

 

You know....EVEN THE POPE doesn't believe this and neither does any current leader of ANY Christian Sect.

And if a GOD exists in a manner of an all Powerful Entity...such a GOD would be laughing it's ASS OFF reading your post!!! LOL!!!

AboveAlpha

 

The bible such as it is has no authority to comment on such matters. Has that collection of texts ever once proven itself to be useful scientifically? Bear in mind this a book that includes a 6-day creation fable and is full cover-to-cover with texts that describe a flat-earth cosmology, complete with "pillars" beneath the ground.

 

Personally I like the Flat Earth on the back of a Turtle Theory!! LOL!!

AboveAlpha

 

That's an allegorical space-turtle, of course. O ye of little faith!!!

 

Blasphemy!!!

It is not a SPACE turtle but an OCEAN TURTLE!!! You PROTESTANT!!!

AboveAlpha