Part 34 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. Mitt Ryan

    Mitt Ryan Well-Known Member

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    Look it's all good regarding the amazing work Einstein did but still there isn't any scientist past or present who could explain to anyone on how everything in the universe came about, what caused the universe to come into existence. Sure they can explain some of the things that goes on in nature through observation and experimenting...the curving and rippling fabric of spacetime explaining gravity, etc. but that tells us nothing on how everything got to be the way it is. Who or what laid the foundation down with all the natural laws that we observe in nature.

    Don't get me wrong though, I admit science is a great tool we have to utilize but the work of science sadly can't/doesn't give us all the answers. The most rational scientists will admit to us and tell us that neither God nor the Holy Bible can be proved or disproved by their favorite hobby (science). Furthermore just as many of their favorite theories sadly cannot be proved or disproved. Lastly, the most rational scientists, even those who refuse to believe in God, admit to a lack of completeness in our understanding of the universe.

    Being a Christian doesn't mean we deny logic. Quite the contrary, I have great respect for science. Science is a way for mankind to gain a greater understanding of our natural universe. Our advances in science demonstrate our human logic and imagination. And so I have a belief in science however though the belief I have in science is not like the belief I have in God. I mean as Christians we can have faith in God and respect science as long as we remember which is perfect (God) and which is not (science).

    You are no different from people of faith in God except that you put your whole/entire faith in science...a slave to the authority of a belief system. Your belief in science should be intellectual and nothing more. We can count on science to do many great things, but we can also count on science to make mistakes. If we put faith in science, we depend on mere mortal men who we know to be/are sinful, limited, and imperfect beings. Throughout mankind's history we know that science has been wrong about many things, for example, vaccines, blood transfusions, reproduction, powered flight to name a few but Almighty God the Creator is never wrong.

    Well we know that Einstein didn't renounce Almighty God, neither did Lord Kelvin, below are their eloquent, sage quotes:

    "I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details." ---- Albert Einstein

    "If you study science deep enough and long enough, it will force you to believe in God."---Lord Kelvin (British scientist)

    Einstein's view of the relationship between math and reality can be understood by a quote of his, he said, "As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."

    So essentially/basically he was saying there is no certainty in regards to laws of mathematics in relation to reality, in other words if there is no certainty then we are left with theories/speculation/guesswork. And we should all know that theories/speculation/ guesswork are not facts.
     
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    Prunepicker Well-Known Member

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    Then you need to wait until you can play. You have nothing except your anger and
    hatred. You certainly don't have any knowledge of what you're talking about.
     
  3. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    It's amazing how many people claim to believe in their favorite deity but they never follow any of its rules.
     
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    We went over this about a year ago. You were never a Christian. Just someone who says
    he studied. Someone who called themself a Christian made you angry and you stopped
    whatever it was you were doing. Once a Christian always a Christian because of the
    indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
    Not true. You've yet to post anything that shows a knowledge of the OT and NT that you
    want us to believe you have. You deny the fact that Jesus IS the Messiah as foretold in the
    OT and try to make Matthew say something he didn't.
    I doubt it. You would have already done so.
    Because you can't stand to be wrong and so far I've exposed you as someone
    who's knowledge is limited to cut and paste what you find on the Internet.

    Not sure why you think I know it all. I certainly know enough to know when someone
    doesn't know what they're talking about and how to detect cut and paste posts,
    which you do.
     
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    trevorw2539 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    :roflol:
     
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    Who cares if Jesus is the Messiah? His contemporaries didn't care since they crucified him. And besides, according to the Bible the Messiah is strictly a Jewish thing that has nothing positive to do with Gentiles. Jesus said that he had been sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. He didn't say that he had been sent to save barbarians souls in Germany or in Africa or in India.
     
  7. Mitt Ryan

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    Are you claiming that all the slightly more than 2 billion practicing Christians worldwide never follow any of its rules? How would you know this? Have you personally met and taken a survey with all the slightly more than 2 billion practicing Christians worldwide?...you don't need to answer...cause I already know the answer....it is NO.
     
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    Jesus told his followers to do all of their praying in private. An awful lot of his alleged followers ignore that command and start yapping away in all kinds of public settings. And how many alleged followers hated other alleged followers because they were of different races or social standing?

    Tomorrow sell all of your stuff, give the proceeds to the poor, and hit the road with just the clothes on your back to preach the gospel. Let us know how you're doing in six months. And make a video of you walking on water.
     
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    Once again you seem clueless to some of the basic principles on which Jesus founded his ministry (similar to many Christians - especially fundamentalists) .

    The poster did not claim all Christians do not follow the rules of Jesus yet ... you post as if he did = a big straw man because all you can seem to muster is fallacy.

    You had no clue what the rule on which Jesus founded his ministry was until I told you.

    Now you pretend that you had a clue previously.

    Is the foundation for your belief is based on nothing but disingenuous proclamations and self deceit ?
     
  10. Johnny Brady

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    I only came in late on this thread but so far I haven't seen any "tough questions regarding christianity", so where are they?..;)
     
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    Why hasn't anyone ever had enough faith to command a physical mountain to move and have it obey?
     
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    Obviously you must be misinterpreting a particular verse in Scripture and not understanding its underlying meaning/message.
     
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    Good point..:)
    But note Jesus says "IF" you have faith. None of his disciples could move mountains (assuming they even tried) yet they had total faith that he was the Son of God, so the word "faith" must mean something else that they and us don't fully understand.
    Jesus said- "If you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you." (Matt 17:20)
    Neo in The Matrix was in the same boat, he too hadn't got the "faith" to accept that reality could be manipulated..:)-

    [video=youtube;oXv3SSijPFc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXv3SSijPFc[/video]
     
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    Are all the other religions wrong?
     
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    Yup, and here's why..:)-

    Christianity has Jesus the Son of God as its central "nuclear core".
    Islam - doesn't
    Judaism - doesn't
    Sikhism - doesn't
    Buddhism - doesn't
    Hinduism - doesn't
    Spiritism - doesn't
    Bahai - doesn't
    Jainism - doesn't
    Shinto - doesn't
    Taoism - doesn't
    Zoroastanism - doesn't
    Paganism - doesn't
    Rastafarianism - doesn't
    Scientology - doesn't
    Chinese traditional - doesn't
    African tribal - doesn't
    Cao Dai - doesn't
    Tenrikyo - doesn't
    New Age - doesn't
    Unitarian - doesn't
    Native American - doesn't
    Fairy-worshipping cults etc - don't
     
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    I stopped responding to you when you went on and on with your Elvis nonsense.
     
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    oh god please make me funny (sniffle)
     
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    Got it.....they are all wrong because YOU say so.

    Guess what bucko....they say the same thing about Christianity so either everyone is wrong or there are a buttload of "One Gods".
     
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    That's the most positive way to prove that Jesus was for real. It's been 2,000 years and not one single person who professed to believe in Jesus has ever been able to do what he said a true believer could easily do. Therefore Jesus was a liar or not one person in history believes in the fairy tale.

    Do not try to move the goal posts by claiming that the words means something else. If they do then not anything in the fairy tale can be trusted to mean what it says.

    So, in conclusion, Jesus was a liar or not one single person in history has ever really believed the fairy tale. Remember the Apostles who wanted to call down fire from heaven to consume the critics? When Jesus was being nailed to the cross they were hiding like little bugs in a rug fearful of being squashed. It's all meaningless talk and zero action. It's 100% fairy tale.
     
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    That's because they were as human as the rest of us; I'd have probably have gone into hiding too.
    BTW, atheists say the bible has been edited over the centuries to make it look good, but if that's so, they'd have edited that bit out because it makes the disciples look wimpy.
    But by NOT editing it out, it proves we can trust the bible to be a true account that's never been messed about with..:)
    PS- disciple Peter was already on the wanted list for whacking the high priest's lackeys ear off with a sword when they came to arrest Jesus, so no wonder he did a runner with the others.
     
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    Think in modern terms mate, Jesus said he was an alien and had awesome powers to prove it-
    "I am not of this world ....though you do not believe me, believe the miracles.....i'll tell you things hidden since the creation of the world" (John 8:23,John 10:38,Matt 13:35)
    so isn't it a bit unscientific and illogical not to hear him out?
    Hey Spock would you listen to an alien visitor?

    "Affirmative, I'm all ears"..
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    As for assorted "gods" such as this egyptian god freak show, you can follow them if you like but include me out..;)
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    Most religions have a demigod, like Hercules for example . So not sure how yours having one also makes all the rest wrong?
     
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    If you could go back in a time machine with your camcorder looking for those other gods and demigods etc , you'd draw a blank because they never existed, but if you navigated to old Israel you'd see Jesus strutting his stuff and you'd get some great footage like this-

    "You're full of filth and corruption!" (Matt 23:27)
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    1- To stone-throwing mob- "On yer bikes!"
    2- "Hold your head up baby"
    3- "Thanks JC, shall we go for a pizza?"

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    1- "Stick with me chum"
    2- "You're my best mate JC"
    3- "Why do you talk to commoners like him?"
    4- "Shut yer traps!"

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    Lol, no. I have as much evidence Hercules, son of Zeus existed, as you do Jesus, the son of god did.
     
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    That's just an opinion of yours, a theory. We don't have any concrete facts from a scientific viewpoint to conclusively say for sure, again all we have are theories and we all should know theories are not facts.
     
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