Part 38 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Indeed. And both Satan and Jesus are refered to as the bringer of light.

 

And that people are culpable for the wrongs of their ancestors, and that not blindly obeying and worshiping authority is a wrong in the first place.

 

Mitt - when all around you have a different perspective - perhaps it is not they that are confused.

There may be a God out there that does not make mistakes - but this is not your God - not the God of Genesis - who admits and regrets his mistake. A good quality - perhaps you have something to learn from this God

 

Hey Elder Ryan......
does my comment over here make any sense to you?

Can you see why I would be hesitant to join the largest branch of the LDS
IF... it is true that they teach that my previous three baptism were somehow "invalid?"

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ristian-psychic.577498/page-2#post-1072731890

I met twelve or fourteen Elders and Sisters over the past three years and none of them gave me the impression that they thought of me as NOT being their Brother in Messiah Yeshua - Jesus?!

I would not blame them if they perhaps felt that maybe I was "weak in the faith' in many ways.... but they always gave me the impression that they felt that I had the Holy Spirit and that I was growing in grace and knowledge?!

 

Hi Dennis! If I were you I would have nothing to do with the LDS. The LDS is Mormonism which is regarded by Christians such as myself as being a cult. Christians define cult as a religious group that denies one or more of the fundamentals of biblical truth. A cult holds views that are spurious and unorthodox. It claims to be part of a religion yet denies essential truths of that religion.

 

The only difference between a religion and a cult is the belief and attitude of the speaker.

 

Sorry gift but you are still confused. You're the type afflicted with this condition called "tunnel vision". You see things in a narrow defining way, you just don't see the whole broad picture. The word "regret" to you can only mean one thing a "mistake". But in the context of the passage it is used in, clearly Almighty God was not, I repeat was not admitting and regretted a mistake He had made. For if He was doing that then we wouldn't exist today, I mean He would have wiped out everyone, including Noah and his family members of 7 others along with all other living beings. But because He didn't wiped out everyone and we are still here today, He was not admitting and regretted He made a mistake. So again let me repeat what I've already said to you previously regarding the word "regret"

Now let's fully understand the word "regret" used in this passage. Regret incorporates the thought of compassionate grief and an action taken. Almighty God was not admitting an error, was not showing weakness or regretting a mistake but rather, He was expressing His need to take drastic action to counteract the wickedness of mankind. And we all know what the drastic action He took.

It is a fundamental core belief in the Christian religion that Almighty God The Creator is infallible, in other words He is perfect, perfectly Holy and sinless, without any blemishes meaning He makes no mistakes. Now again below I'm presenting the same statements I made to you in a previous post, perhaps maybe this time it will sink in and open up that tunnel vison of a brain of yours to clearly see the whole broad picture.

We Read in Scripture:

Great is the Lord and most worthy of praise; his greatness no one can fathom. Psalm 145:3 NIV

In the original language, the word translated “fathom” incorporates the thought of “possible to find out or enumerate.” In other words, God’s greatness is infinite. This statement cannot refer to a fallible person, for, with even one mistake, his greatness would be quantifiable and finite.

There are other passages in Scripture that shows Almighty God is infallible. Almighty God has unlimited knowledge and makes no mistakes, limited knowledge leads to mistakes but not unlimited knowledge that Almighty God possesses.

We Read in Scripture:

9 Remember the things I have done in the past. For I alone am God! I am God, and there is none like me. 10 Only I can tell you the future before it even happens. Everything I plan will come to pass, for I do whatever I wish. Isaiah 46:9-10 NLT

In conclusion, there is no fault in Our Almighty God The Creator, He has never and will never ever make a mistake. And there was never any fault in His Son, Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ. We learn from Scripture that Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ committed no sin in thought, word, or deed.

We Read in Scripture:

15 This High Priest of ours understands our weaknesses, for he faced all of the same testings we do, yet he did not sin. Hebrews 4:15 NLT

4 Pilate turned to the leading priests and to the crowd and said, “I find nothing wrong with this man!” Luke 23:4 NLT

 

The only "Tunnel vision of a Brain" on display here is yours mate .. so desperate to deny the words of God in Scripture because they do not fit into your myopic perspective.

God states that he "Regrets" creating humans. If God had known what humans would become prior to creating them - he would not have created humans - as only an idiot would do something knowing that later they would regret it.

Sorry mate - obviously God is not omniscient - despite your desperate attempts to redefine the word "mistake" - which by definition is doing something you regret.

The only

 

My humble apologies....
I actually thought that you were LDS!

All I know is that I think that the LDS deserve credit for their
teaching on the state of the dead and they do a good job of
reaching out to other denominations of Christianity with a true olive leaf.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org...apter-41-the-postmortal-spirit-world?lang=eng

 

Do you see how the ancients might have meant that they were both teachers of morality?

Think dualism.

I think Christianity has tried and failed to take the dualistic thinking that the bible was written to stimulate. This helped them to stupidly go mythos and scarred the logos out of people with their inquisitions.

Regards
DL

 

<Rule 2>

When Adam and Eve ate from the Tree, they felt guilty. They knew they were guilty. They felt guilty because they disobeyed God. When you do something “wrong,” you feel guilty about it. And you project that guilt (and ergo experience it), and that is what they did.

This is why for example they covered themselves when they realized that they were naked. Why do you run if you have nothing to hide? Why are you afraid if you have nothing to worry about? Why are you cowering in shame if you did nothing wrong?

Fast-forward eons of years later, and we still have the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve (like yourself) projecting their own inner insecurities and guilt, only in a modern and post-industrial context.

Here’s the thing, sonny. Times may change, but the essential nature of puny humans like yourself remain unchanged. The devil was right all along....

 

Would you prefer that A & E remain without the moral sense that tells adults not to go about naked in front of others.

Would you give up the moral sense that makes us as gods in the knowing of good and evil?

Seems you have, given your love of a genocidal piece of garbage and his homophobic and misogynous religion.

Get behind me Satan.

Regards
DL

 

That’s their decision, not mine. No one forced them to feel guilty about anything. Them covering up themselves has nothing to do with morality. It’s simply a reflection of that guilt.

What makes us gods is our capacity to transcend good and evil.

Like I said, if you want to feel bad about it, go ahead. <Rule 2>

I’m going back to heaven, baby.

 

<Rule 2>

Show how that is done, given that no person has ever admitted to not having done so, other than liars.

<Rule 2/3>

What makes us superior to Yahweh, the Christian genocidal hero, and Jesus his vile mimic, is knowing that if we had their power, we would cure instead of kill.

That is the difference between a good god and and evil god.

Gnostic Christians have always known this and condemned the literal
genocidal Christian bastard gods to hell.

<Rule 3>

Regards
DL

 

<Rule 2>

It is done within your own self. Go ahead, do something that society frowns upon. Will you be able to live with it? Or will you succumb to the same pathological thought-concepts that perpetuate the universal guilt trip?

<Mod Edit>

Oh, how delightful! Of course, you can’t prove that killing is inherently wrong. Life is as it is, but your ego can’t accept that Truth, so you have to call it bad and evil and misogynistic. Anything that ensures you remain stuck in the physical.

<Rule 3>

 

This only computes if you equate obedience to morality.

The same reason run away slaves cowered when caught and returned to their masters. The same reason abused wives and children cower in front of the drunk abusive husband/father. The same reason Jews cowered before Hitler's soldiers. It has nothing to do with doing anything wrong, and everything to do with fearing a powerful despot.

I reject the demand that might makes right. A true hero, a truly moral person, stands against might for what is right. Being an obedient Nazi soldier or a slave catcher isn't good. Neither is blindly obeying or worshipping a God who demands human sacrifice.

 

Your point being...?

Oh wow, you even got Hitler in there. That didn’t take too long! Anyway, all your examples are dismissed because they have nothing to do with the real subject at hand.

When it comes to Truth, there is no outside party. You’re either in harmony with it or not (within your own self). You don’t have to be caught by anybody to know you did something wrong. If you know you did wrong, then you’re wrong, and that will project.

God simply told Adam and Eve not to eat from that tree. No one forced them to feel bad about it, nor to feel that they did a wrong. He simply said: “don’t eat from that tree.” Everything else that transpired came from them. Ergo, they got themselves out of Heaven.

1. Who cares what you think is “good?” What was “good” a century ago is malign today. It’s certainly arrogant of individuals like yourself to readily assume that your idea of “good” is absolute, when we all know God is the Absolute, the One, the Truth.

2. Give me a break with the Nazi crap. If the Jews didn’t overwhelmingly own the finance and media industry, you wouldn’t have made the Nazis the personification of evil to begin with.

This shows us just how manufactured individuals like yourself are. Your perception of Reality is based mostly on T.V. programming and what you read in some stupid history book....

 

Indeed. And Hitler pales in comparison to the biblical God character.

And what tree was that again? The one with the fruit of knowledge of good and evil. God didn't want them to have their own moral sense and wanted them blindly obedient to him.

I do.

Yes. Ideas on what is moral do change over time. We have been developing our moral sense over time. You are no exception and neither are the people who claim to speak for an absolutely objectively moral God despot.

Sure, as soon as you show me how blind unquestioning obedience to an imagined God and those who claim to speak for him is somehow not as bad as blind unquestioning obedience to the fuhr or any other despot.

The Nazis are not the personification of evil. Your God is.

I would rather see reality based on history books than based on bronze age mythology.

 

You’ll have to prove how Hitler was bad to begin with. Schindler’s List doesn’t count....

That character of the tree is irrelevant, but that’s probably something the devil would ask. If your confident in your faith, you wouldn’t have to ask inane questions.

You’re in the arms of Eternal Truth. The amount of questions you’re asking are a reflection of your own insecurities. People like you would make terrible stock traders....

That’s your first mistake. Remove “I” from the equation, and then you will start to see Reality as it truly is.

Lol! Who’s “we,” exactly? I suppose you’re referring to what a bunch of clueless Europeans wrote about some centuries ago in the alleged “enlightenment,” something that they’ve been trying to push on the rest of the world with complete fail.

Does anyone one really care about what some Anglo-Saxon dweebs (who were raised by Scooby Doo and Big Macs) think about morality and truth?

Again, you’ll have to prove how it’s inherently “bad” to begin with. You have “bad” in your own mind, and your projecting it onto us. But we’ll simply reflect it back!

So the real question becomes: why can’t you simply see things as they are, without having to constantly project some sort of negativity into the picture?

 

You have no understanding whatsoever of Almighty God The Creator. One of the reasons for disbelief is the misconception of what Almighty God is really all about by unbelievers. First off, Abraham's child did not die because Almighty God did not intend for that to happen. You need to read the story more closely to understand what was going on there in that significant biblical story.

Secondly where does it say in Scripture that you must applaud the suffering of Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ?...answer...no where does Scripture ever say that. Again you have no idea of the significance of the sacrifice Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ made on our behalf. You are afflicted with this tunnel vision thinking that's why your mind is closed into understanding anything written in the Scriptures of the Holy Bible. But it is your choice to disbelieve and so be it. If you don't want to accept the sin debt payment Our Lord Savior Jesus made on your behalf, on everybody's behalf then because you are a sinner like everyone else, you must pay for the sins you have committed while living on God's green earth. You pay by being punished for your sins, so the day you find yourself in that place of punishment blame yourself for being there...it was your choice for being there. So I'm not going to plead with you to become a believer but I'm just informing you, making you aware of what the consequences are for continued disbelief until the day you perish of Almighty God The Creator!

We Read in Scripture:

The Narrow Gate

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said, 13 "You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. 14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it." Matthew 7:13-14 NLT

 

You think Hitler wasn't bad? Social contract, and basic empathy and sense of fairness, not even unique to human animals tells me otherwise. By the way, if anybody is wondering "How can you have good/bad without God", read the previous sentence again.

The nature of the tree is pivotal to the story. The whole point is that God was to be obeyed, and disobeying God was what was the original sin. Obedience is equated to what is right. It isn't about actually being good, because they explicitly didn't know yet what good and bad were. They were punished for disobedience, not immorality. It is but one of the many many cases of obedience being pushed over morality in the Bible.

Human beings.

No, duck and dodge is what you do. Do you or do you not equate your sense of morality to mere obedience to power? Is there anything you would refuse to do if God commanded it of you? Anything at all?

That's a funny question coming from somebody who feels a need to imagine a God instead of merely accepting things as they are.

 

Yes, at the last moment the God character switched it out and said don't kill him after all. It is analogous to a gang boss demanding you shoot your brother, not knowing the gun isn't loaded. It is a test of obedience. It is one of the many examples of the Bible pushing obedience over morality. Obedience over morality is one of the top, if not the very top, theme of the book. Another example is noted in the post above.

You won't be "saved" (spared punishment the God character decided you deserve because your distant ancestor ate some fruit) unless you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour and praise his sacrifice (of couple of days since he rose again briefly after he died).

No. Belief is not a choice for me. Is it really that way for you? Can you actually choose to believe or not? Does this apply to other beliefs as well? Can you choose to believe, I mean really believe, that there is an elephant standing next to you right now? I don't think you can. I think in any other context other than the religious one you know that belief in something you see no evidence for isn't something we can do. Unless you do have an extraordinary self delusion ability that I lack.

If I did something so awful that I actually did deserve punishment, it would be immoral and unjust of me to avoid that punishment and have an innocent person pay for my wrong. If I do wrong, I should properly atone for that wrong, and not pass that off to somebody else. I think you would agree with me on that in any context other than the religious one.

Since you ended your post by warning me about hell if I don't accept and follow your God and Jesus, I'll end by asking you the same question I asked Goomba, and the same question I've asked you before but you didn't answer:

Is your sense of morality anything other than mere obedience to power? Is there anything, anything at all, you would refuse to do if God commanded it of you?

 

I think Hitler is who Hitler was. You’re the only one here trying to project some sort of negative quality onto the matter. You have all this “bad” within your own self, and it has to come out somehow....

Guilt does not necessarily have to manifest if one disobeys God’s rules. Adam and Eve could have disobeyed God without experiencing and projecting their inner guilt.

For example, a schoolboy breaks a rule in class. However, the teacher assigned to teach the course is a major d*ck (and secret rule-breaker himself); and when the latter confronts the student, the boy does not cower or become submissive- he’s assertive in his rule breaking. He doesn’t project guilt or shame, but absolute confidence!

Hence, Truth transcends rules and ordinances, and what is at first glance assumed to be good or bad (i.e. following or breaking the rules) becomes redundant.

The fashion in which Adam and Eve reacted to their own action (eating from the Tree) shows us that they were carrying some major shame and guilt. Unlike the schoolboy, they didn’t have Truth to fall back on, now did they?

Which ones? Do they all speak English like you?

My obedience is to Life. I experience everything from within me, and how I judge anything is through my own self, just like you do.

Listen here, sonny: Whether you comply or not to God’s commandments is moot. God’s Will (Life) shall be done, and you’re either going against the grain or willingly obliging.

Meaning, if God wanted you to kill your own son, you best do it, otherwise Life will find a way to do it for you (by your own hands). Thankfully, God is the Most Merciful, so submitting to His Will will have good effects (as we see in the story of Abraham, where his son was ultimately saved).


If you have bad within you, then you will naturally see bad. Adam and Eve were not in a truly righteous state, otherwise they would not have wronged their own selves by eating from the Tree.


In other words, they allowed themselves to be compromised. They knew the Truth, and attempted to cover it up.

I imagine whatever I feel is necessary to imagine. You do the same in your imagining of a world where God is nonexistent.

 

Or fear of the despot. This is why I brought up the comparison to the other despots (Hitler etc). People obey and portray (and possibly even feel) guilt not always because they actually feel they did anything wrong, but often out of fear.

Why do you say that? Why didn't they have the truth to fall back on? What is the truth you speak of? All they did was disobey the God character and eat of the fruit he said not to, which was the fruit of knowledge of good and evil.

Sonny?

This is ridiculous. There is no good reason to believe any such being exists, what his commandments are if he. she, it or they do exist, and what if anything such a being would do if you obey or not after not making the commandments clear and understood and believed. If such beings exist, there could be a wide variety of them, or only one, and it could be the one you imagine or one the complete opposite of what you imagine, and by adhering to your imagined God's "Commandments" as you understand them may lead you to damnation much faster than my lack of worship to any God does.

Ok. How about if Hitler commanded you to gas some Jews? Best you do that too? If not, why not? What's the difference? That God has more power? Is that all?

Who says they wronged themselves? All they did was disobey the God character, and they did so BEFORE eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, so they can't have known it was wrong to do, they can only have known it was disobedient. Hence this story being all about obedience and not at all about being good or bad.

Is it wrong to cover up the truth from one who seeks to abuse you?

 

You got to be a foolish person for making such ludicrous statements regarding Almighty God The Creator and His foe the devil/satan. For your information Almighty God The Creator represents everything that is good/righteous while His foe the devil/satan represents everything that is evil/bad/unrighteous. Rebelling against Almighty God means to do all things that are evil/bad/unrighteous, like for example murdering another human being in cold blood. I'm sure you wouldn't like it if someone murdered a loved one of yours, you would find it appalling/heinous and probably would want to seek revenge. So do you honestly believe doing something evil/bad/unrighteous is actually something good because you have rebelled against Almighty God?...such ludicrousness!...my! my! Your boy the devil/satan must be dwelling in that foolish/ignorant mind of yours to be thinking like that!

The devil/satan cannot win because evil/bad/unrighteousness cannot trump over what is good/righteous. So you acknowledge your boy the devil/satan cannot win yet you still regard him as some kind of a folk hero...wow!...such ludicrousness indeed! So he cannot win but you side with him knowing it means you cannot win yourself. That's why people like you one day will end up being in a place where your folk hero will be residing . I honestly feel sorry for people of your kind but Almighty God The Creator has given each and everyone of us a choice to make, accept Him, believe in Him or reject Him and not believe in Him...there are consequences for the choices we make so when we find ourselves in either Heaven or hell, we will know it was our choice/decision to be there. So it appears you didn't stay alert like countless others and the devil has devoured all of you.

We Read in Scripture:
8 Stay alert! Watch out for your great enemy, the devil. He prowls around like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour. 1 Peter 5:8 NLT

The Narrow Gate

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said, 13 "You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. 14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it." Matthew 7:13-14 NLT