Pentagon push to extend benefits to same-sex couples stirs debate

Are homosexual people (military members) human beings? (If so, it DOES "matter"; and the military leaders KNOW that it does.)

No, it's not about "special interest", it is about being human.

 

No it is about special interest or it would apply to all couples. Obama is also pushing Supreme Court on gay marriage

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ouse-to-weigh-in-on-prop-8-gay-marriage-case/

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Giving gays rights heterosexual couple do not get is discrimination

 

So you are okay with the immoral country we have become? Then i guess you have no problem with other immorality either

 

You're still not seeing what you need to see. The military sees it, thank goodness.

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Greed and lust for power are things that people should be looking most intently at right now. (Really.)

 

but heterosexuals get them. the just need to get married. gays don't have that option.

no discrimination exists in this.

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both morals and peerversion are subjective terms. what you find morally right or wrong, or pervasive has no relevance to anyone other than yourself. you don't get to make others live by your perceived view of morality or perversion

 

You are right. This should not be an issue when the economy is bad and millions can not find a job

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Gays have that option

it is just the government does not recognize it.

 

Which means they don't have that option

 

Then let the government give them civil unions with all the government benefits of marriage

 

Seperate but equal has been ruled unconstitutional. They will eventually be able to marry in all 50 states

 

It will work fine if they simply change marriage to be a civil union as well. Then the only difference is in the name - thus no difference at all.

 

Oh please. Obama doesn't care about gays, he just realized that it was in his own best interest to support them to get their vote. I never voted for Obama, and I think he is doing a pretty lousy job. Equal treatment under the law is a moral I care about. I fight for the right of all individuals to live their lives freely so long as they don't harm others. I fight against perversion--the perversion that is bigotry, ignorance, and hatred. You seem to disagree, yet try to claim the moral high-ground. When you have an actual argument, get back to me. Otherwise, stay in your hobbit hole and let the world move forward without you.

 

Do you KNOW what you are really talking about; or are you just saying something?

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I don't care if he cares in the political sense; I'm mainly interested in the social policies he supports/promotes.

If he actually cares as a person, that is a heartfelt bonus, IMO.

 

Because homosexuals overall do not have the right to marry, they are being readily discriminated against everyday. Measures such as the ones taken by the Pentagon are necessary in order to ensure that same-sex couples receive some level of security. Rights such as these should not be taken away because they have the inability to marry. However, should the same rights be extended to opposite-sex couples in the same situation, who are able to marry but choose not to?

 

If he doesn't care as a person then all it will take is a little pressure from some other interest group with power to get him to change his mind. I don't see that happening, but I would rather have a person who cares than a person who is opportunistic.

 

I like it when a President thinks or has the same values as I do... but I'm a realist; I vote for the person that most closely represents my views. In the last 16 years, few/none on the the Right have impressed me.

 

That is BS. One couple who CHOOSE to remain unmarried, and a couple who want to get married but it is illegal for them to do so can not be compared. It's YOU who are discriminating against gay couples by teling them they should not be allowed to get married, but at the same time, they should be treated as if it's by their own choice.

 

Wow!! What fair and brilliant analysis overall. Bravo!

You hit the nail on the head.

 

Yep- thank you.

 

Except that it is not illegal for a homosexual couple to get married, and in fact a military chaplain can perform the ceremony for them.

 

The question is, in my view:

Does the fact that a homosexual couple is married... legally afford them the same benefits as heterosexual couples in this society?

Seriously, due to DOMA and other unconstitutional aspects of American law (especially in certain states)... the answer is generally, "no". So, unlike many casual bigots, homophobes and anti-gay legalists, the U.S. Military (as usual) is leaning toward practicality and effectiveness. They are about RESULTS, not necessarily pushing for old traditions and ideals. And me being a member of the military since the 1970's, I'd say that the last 20 or so years of being in a constant warfare has led the military to being as practical as it has ever been.

 

I agree, the right has not been very impressive. I just am equally unimpressed by the left.

 

Okay.

Even so, I decide my vote based upon where I think the nation needs to go.

I suppose that we won't necessarily be voting for the same candidates; that's surely acceptable.

So be it.

 

You mean gays want to get back at the church. They will not accept civil unions because it can not be used against religion

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Special laws are not fair. if it is for unwed couples then it should be for all

 

Being unwed by choice is one thing......Being unwed because you are forbidden from getting marrying by a government lead by religious nutjob bigots is another. If allowed to, the vast majority of gay military couples would already be married and this would not be an issue.

 

So why don't they just get married? Their marriage might only be recognized in certain states, but they could still get married, and doing so would prove their commitment and better justify giving them benefits.