Perception puzzles me.

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  1. dgrichards

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    I and almost everyone I know was raised to understand that 1+1=2. This is not arguable or negotiable, yet there are some who argue that 1+1= something other than 2. The recent riot and invasion of the capitol, the violent, deadly invasion was witnessed by us all, either through direct involvement or through the mainstream media. Yet, there are many who insist that the demonstration, the riot, was peaceable protest. That the depiction of violence is somehow fake news. The difference in perception puzzles me.

    Our presidential election has been said to be the most secure election in this nations history. Multiple recounts have verified this, recounts by Democrat and Republican alike, and yet there are an alarming number of people who are convinced that somehow the election was rigged, and that Trump is the victim of a massive conspiracy to deny him the presidency. Again, the difference in perception puzzles me.

    If this affected just a few people on the outer fringe, it would be at best a curiosity. The sad fact that this apparently affects a huge swath of our population worries me. The idea that so many can be so easily led astray is legitimate cause for concern.

    These are but two examples. I am certain that there are many more examples and we will, I am sure, see them here soon,
     
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    Basically, it boils down to this. The human mind processes information through each person's perspective. Therefore, the same situation can result in different conclusions as seen with the attack on the Capitol on Jan. 6th.

    An example, I was abused by my parents including after I became an adult (point being that I was aware of what was happening to me). I've lost count how many people have told me that "it's not possible for a parent to hate their own child" or even "that didn't happen" and on and on. It's not that they are necessarily wrong. They are viewing my experiences through their own lens.

    In short, people believe what they want to believe and they will latch onto anything that seems to support their position while ignoring anything that doesn't.
     
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    They don't believe their own lying eyes? Truth escapes them?
     
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    Reasonable- but the question is which swath of our population is being led astray. Consider watching a magician make an elephant disappear. You don't know how it was done- but if you are a rational person, you do know it was an illusion, not magic. we are being told many things today that make as much sense as that believing that elephant disappeared by magic- obvious hogwash, but being accepted by a lot of people. You use the example of basic math- 1+1,=2, 2+2=4, etc. Who would question that? What condition would a mind have to be in to do so? IF educated professionals were to start telling us to question it, why woouldn't they be immediately fired? It would tale some kind of mass delusion- or people unable to think for themselves wouldn't it?

    Read this from news two days ago:

    "The Oregon Department of Education (ODE) recently encouraged teachers to register for training that encourages "ethnomathematics" and argues, among other things, that White supremacy manifests itself in the focus on finding the right answer.

    An ODE newsletter sent last week advertises a Feb. 21 "Pathway to Math Equity Micro-Course," which is designed for middle school teachers to make use of a toolkit for "dismantling racism in mathematics." The event website identifies the event as a partnership between California's San Mateo County Office of Education, The Education Trust-West and others.

    Part of the toolkit includes a list of ways "white supremacy culture" allegedly "infiltrates math classrooms." Those include "the focus is on getting the 'right' answer," students being "required to 'show their work,'" and other alleged manifestations.

    "The concept of mathematics being purely objective is unequivocally false, and teaching it is even much less so," the document for the "Equitable Math" toolkit reads. "Upholding the idea that there are always right and wrong answers perpetuate objectivity as well as fear of open conflict."


    You won't find reporting of such things on the media of the left; they just don't think you need to know about them. Here's the full article link:

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/oregon-education-math-white-supremacy

    IF any group of people is willing to accept garbage like that- insults to common sense and logic, without objection- what else are they willing to believe?
     
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    We've discussing the denial of reality by Trump's followers for years. It's probably the most dangerous, internal, existential threat to democracy we have ever faced.
     
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    I could never figure out how Jim Jones could control the people of Jones Town. We've now witnessed the development of a cult. trump got 70 something million votes and that's scary as hell.
     
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    Guys, stop with the voter fraud thing already. The Democrats played this like Pros and we just have to suck it up. They totally milked Covid-19 to their advantage and did a really good job at it. If only their policies could be as good as their election rigging skills. I would really love to see that intelligence put to some good for the people of the United States. At this point though, they are playing the voter fraud claims the same way we played them with the Russia Collusion hoax. At the end of the day, you need proof, and the left has destroyed all evidence so really no point in complaining anymore.
    Lets just all hope for the best and hope that SOME or maybe even just ONE of their new policies can actually HELP the people. That would be nice.
     
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    Okay here's the problem, to be sure their were five people died in this, all of them Trump supporters, including according to some the capitol cop who died of a stroke after going home, other than the unarmed Trump supporter eh was shot we have no idea how the other three died. There were no weapons wielded by the supposed insurrectionist, the damage was far less in dollar value than that caused on any one night in last summers violence, yet some how this is violence to the Republic but trying to establish an independent kingdom in the midst of downtown Seattle isn't. You had perhaps fifty people enter the capitol building only one of whom made it to the house floor and he looked more like a half drunk displaced Vikings fan than anything else. Mostly they just milled about the foyer looking like tourist waiting for a guide.
     
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    Opposed to what, believing what you're told, and what one needs to believe so badly that they ignore the slightest chance something might happen?
     
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    Look! A case in point. Believes, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, the election was rigged.
     
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    The times already confessed to rigging the election and told us how they did it...
     
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    See, we both saw the same thing but somehow the flag poles and clubs and bear spray are magically not weapons. I did not stop counting at 50, but gave up after 235. And I saw video of more than 1 in the house floor. Actively rifling papers of congressmen is a bit outside tourist fare. We both saw the same things. How can you disbelieve the evidence of your own eyes? The perception thing again. It genuinely puzzles me.
     
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    I would have much preferred the kind of focused, competent, science based response we are seeing from Team Biden than the disastrous response we got from Trump. Lives could have been saved. Jobs could have been saved. 2+2 does not = hydroxychloroquine.
     
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    Where's the beef? Link, please?
     
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    Donald Trump: 'What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening.'
     
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    More like a refusal to see that 8 sided red sign to mean stop. Alt Fact equal Alt Reality. The fact that so many of you were so easily sold on this fantasy is deeply troubling.
     
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    Where was the bear spray used and who by? Bear spray is nothing more than extra strong pepper spray. If you haven't experienced both you won't be able to tell one from the other. I suspect your MSM lied to you about that, as they admitted to doing about much else concerning this election and it's aftermath.
     
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    If you’re trying to illustrate puzzling perceptions - you scored.
    The perception that ANYONE conciders what happened at the Capitol as “peaceful” is lunacy at best; the actual perception is that they are two distinct events - the Capitol violence began well before the peaceful demonstration at the ellipse ended; most, if not all of demonstrators at the Ellipse eschewed the violence at the Capitol - as Trump emplored them to.

    Second, the comment about the “most secure election in history was directed at the lack of FOREIGN, e.g. Russian interference, it didn’t speak, for instance,of the massive conspiracy formed by social media companies, news organizations, labor unions, the Chamber of Commercial, among others to “fortify the election. All of which was reported in a recent Time Magazine article.
     
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    Link to article, please?
     
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    Already discussed at length here in at least two threads one of which I believe you participated now that I think on it.
     
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    Mathematical facts are objective.
    There is no such thing as objective truth however.
    Everyone has their biases to make all non math related issues subjective.

    Some will say the sky is blue, but another will claim it's azure.
     
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    Says one believing exactly what one is told. And not a single shred of evidence yet, 3 months after the fact.
     
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    Dude! Just what do you think that spray in the video clip was? You did see that, right?
     
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    Who is they?
    How did 'they', do it?

    The article I read was about how the election was to keep the election "free and fair, credible and uncorrupted".
    https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/


    Got a link to your supposed story?
     
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