Persecution of Christians in muslim countries

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnhy_M3XSXI&feature=related

Three Christians were killed in Turkey for distributing Bibles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5eerAvvT0o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJs97daH068&feature=related


Why the West will not hear about the Persecution:
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2011/January/Why-the-West-Wont-Hear-about-Christian-Persecution/

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2012/February/Ex-Muslim-Boy-Clings-to-Faith-Despite-Beatings-/

 

How can someone be dumb enough to prosletize christianity in a muslim country? I'll do you one better. How can someone be dumb enough even to visit a muslim country.

 

It is more than you see on CNN and FOX News, you know.



Lebanon



Jordan



Iran



Morocco


Lebanon is one of the most beautiful countries in the world.

 

Boko Harem savagely kills Christians on Christmas Day...

More Christians Killed As Pope Decries ‘Savage Acts of Terrorism’ in Nigeria
December 26, 2012 – Suspected Islamist terrorists killed 12 Nigerians celebrating Jesus’ birth, hours before Pope Benedict XVI, in his traditional Christmas Day message, spoke out against “savage acts of terrorism” mainly targeting Christians in Africa’s most populous country.

See also:

Nigeria gunmen 'kill at least six Christians' in Yobe
25 December 2012 - Gunmen in the northern Nigerian state of Yobe have shot dead at least six Christians, the army and local officials say.

 

Old news, Christians are now allowed to build churches. Three Christians? How does that compare to the 150+ per year Muslims who become victims of hate crime in the US?

Without making any comment on the topic for the moment, you might want to use well done data instead of emotionally charged stories.

 

Iran holding Christian pastor for $116,000 ransom...

Wife: Jailed American Pastor Still Held in Iran
WASHINGTON January 22, 2013 : Iran's semi-official news agency said Monday that a jailed American pastor of Iranian origin is to be released after posting $116,000 bond, but his wife in the U.S. claims Tehran has no intention of freeing him and that the announcement is "a game to silence" international media reports.

 

It's mainly due to colonialism and ethnic issues than anything else, as opposed to anything inherent in Islam. Due to historical contingency, most of the nations with large Muslim populations were under severe persecution from Christian powers from the 1700s until, roughly the 1960s. Algeria, for instance, was occupied by France from the Napoleonic Wars until 1960 and the native, Muslim Algerians were oppressed very heavily by the French. By the 1950s, the Algerians were starting to demand rights equal to French citizens, and the Pieds Noirs ended up basically engaging in terroristic actions against the Algerians (such as hooking up car batteries to genitals). Similarly, in Iran, the US was supporting the Shah who was using a secret police force against the population, who then backed the Ayatollah Khomeini and his Islamic Revolution. In Afghanistan, the US supported the Afghani Mujahideen, in opposition to Soviet forces, and the Afghani Mujahideen eventually became both the Taliban and al Qaida. Further, once war broke out between Iraq and Iran in the 1980s, Ronald Reagan was selling weapons to both sides, which didn't endear many in the Muslim world to the US. The US also engaged in a bit of a genocide in the Philippines during the Spanish-American War by slaughtering hundreds of thousands of Muslim civilians in the Philippines. Because of the hundreds of incidents like these, there's hostility toward the Christian world due to a great deal of mistrust toward Christians because the narrative for a lot of Muslim people was that Christians were invading and oppressing Muslims.

However, such hostility is not a permanent feature of Islam; in Lebanon, the Christian minority has usually been fairly peaceable with the Muslim majority, while Christians in the Ottoman Empire maintained a generally greater level of religious freedom compared to many Christian states during the same time (for instance, it was generally okay to be a Christian or Jew in the Ottoman Empire, wherein one had to pay a tax to fund the military due to the assumption that the Ottomans made that Christian subjects of the Empire wouldn't find Christian enemies of the Empire; conversely, in contemporary Spain or Portugal, it was dangerous to be a Muslim or Jew). Again, there's a lot of historical contingency; the Muslim population of China basically bears no ill will toward Christians at all, due to the history of Chinese Muslims wherein the main existential threat to their lives was primarily Chinese dynasties who were not happy with people not being Confucian. As China was only really subjugated by Europe starting in roughly the 1820s and the European powers never differentiated between Taoist, Buddhist, Confucian, or Muslim Chinese people, the Muslims of China were never subjugated like the Muslims in a lot of former Ottoman provinces, in Iran, in south Asia, or Oceania. As such, the animus against European powers and Christianity never really developed. Similarly, Muslims in the Balkans, who weren't Turks, generally never received treatment that was as bad at the hands of large European powers, as they weren't colonized by other Europeans, but managed to win independence via large amounts of foreign funding and the general decline of the Ottoman Empire anyway. The Muslims in the Balkans aren't particularly angry at Christians in general, though they do hate very particular groups of Christians, but that's due to the ethno-religious issues that drive a lot of conflict in the Balkans anyway and not due to a generalized hatred of Christianity.

 

Christians bein' persecuted in India...

Violence against Christians Spreading in India
February 11, 2013 – Hindu extremist attacks on Christians in Maharashtra state could expand even as violence elsewhere in India grows in areas where extremist groups had not beeen so active, Christian leaders said.

 

It very much goes both ways. Anyone who denies this fact is either delusional or has an incredibly poor understanding of world history. Religious, ethnic, racial, gender persecution is awful and the people who perpetrate it have more similarities with each other no matter what group they come from or hate than they will ever choose to realize they do.

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Agreed.

 

Boko Harem are crazy. I would say they drank the kool aid but someone will inevitably and incorrectly accuse me of racism.

 

Yeah, all those Mosques suicide bombed by Jesus fanatics and Muslims on death row for preaching their religion.

 

I must have thought discriminatory laws against Christians, Jews and all other religions is entirely due to Islamic law.

Who would have thought 14 centuries of discrimination is chalked up to supposed 'oppressive' colonialism.

 

So are you denying that Christians have unjustly killed Muslims in the name of politics or religion?

 

No, no Muslims are on death row for proselytizing their religion in any Christian majority or Western nation.

No Mosques have been suicide bombed by Christian zealots.

No Muslim communities have been rampaged by unruly Christian mobs.

So, no, it doesn't 'very much go both ways'.

 

What's with the fixation with suicide bombers? Is it better to kill people in person or with unmanned missiles than it is to suicide bomb someone?

Of course, I don't advocate any bombings, but I don't see why some are making a point out of the suicide bombers that couldn't be made around other means of killing people.

 

You mean grenade attacks, car bombs and armed raids against churches? I suppose I could mention those too but that would be superfluous when there are suicide bombings. I figured anyone with an IQ greater than a loaf of bread would be able to make that conclusion as well.

I'll ignore your breathlessly stupid comparison of terror attacks against Christians for being Christian to bombing a mosque used by terrorists.

I suppose in your far reaching intellect the Pakistani government's raid on the Lal Masjid 'Red Mosque' is analogous to Sunni Muslims detonating explosives at packed Shia mosques during religious holidays.

 

Are you saying that's the only method of religious persecution? Because if you are, you're wrong, and that's not debatable, that's a stone cold fact.

 

So in other words religious persecution doesn't 'very much go both ways' when you can't compare anything near as horrendous Christians experience in the Muslim world (death penalty, unruly mob attacks, apartheid) to any lite discrimination Muslims supposedly experience in the West.

 

Who said it has to be in the West? Prosecution of ethnic and religious groups as defined by the UN Rome Statute definition take place all over the world.

 

Not particularly, I was going to go with the full scale war, but to each his own, I guess.

 

So now you're comparing Pakistan's war in the tribal territories to suicide bombings against Shia mosques?

Very strange.

 

Sleuth. I thought this thread was about Christian persecution and your comment that persecution 'goes both ways' meant Muslims were being persecuted similarly in Christian majority nations as Christians are in Muslim majority nations.

Now you, or I, have lost the plot entirely and you bring up the UN Rome Statute and claim persecution goes on all over the world which isn't relevant or contradictory to the thread or your initial post (Christian persecution is all over the world so this announcement is hardly a revelation).

 

They have been. Most of the west are not Christian nations though, they are Democratic nations.

Actually it is relevant, it is the point I was trying to make, under international law, muslims as well as christians are denied their human rights, and this is not okay. I really don't know why this is so hard for you to understand, other than you might lack the necessary familiarity to International Law that you need to carry on an intelligent conversation about the legal and moral implications of the concept of common humanity.

 

Right, because democracy and Christian nation are mutually exclusive.

Have you told most European nations this?

Can you even keep track of the posts you made in this thread and what you've already said?

Nice duck and cover from:

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Christians Persecuted In Pakistan, Middle East...

Minorities, including Christians, at receiving end in Pakistan
Friday, March 15, 2013 - Nearly 2.2 billion Christians across the globe, 37.5 per cent of whom live in North and South America and 25.7 per cent of whom reside in Europe, are today wary of the treatment meted out to the followers of Jesus Christ and readers of the Holy Bible in most parts of the Muslim world, though they are also distressed over the state of affairs in non-Muslim countries like India.