"Person-hood" is not the defining factor in abortion

Can consent be removed at anytime, You will find the answer is yes.

Can you explain how laws already exist that declare pregnancy a serious literal injury and how some states legislation also state that pregnancy is an injury, Is any person expected to suffer injuries from consenting to taking a risk?

Whether consent to sex is consent to pregnancy (not that i think it is) is correct or not it does not retract from the fact that a person may revoke consent at anytime for any reason. Nor does it imply that consent given to one person means consent given to another (if as pro-lifers would have us believe a zef is an individual person). Each 'person' must gain individual consent for any action that effects another person.

Consent is defined as "1) n. a voluntary agreement to another's proposition. 2) v. to voluntarily agree to an act or proposal of another, which may range from contracts to sexual relations.", I've highlighted the relevant words, consent must be voluntary, by definition laws banning abortion are removing the voluntary consent of the woman to remain pregnant.

ANY form of consent can be withdrawn, unless it is a contractual consent and even these can be withdrawn from via legal proceedings.

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and do we expect people to suffer injury from a risk taken, do we deny medical treatment to people who have taken a risk and been injured?

 

Do we deny medical treatment to women that are injured during pregnancy? no the argument isnt denying medical treatment.

 

Can consent for a credit card debt be withdrawn? No. The same with pregnancy.

 

Do you sign a piece of paper stating that you will carry any pregnancy you conceive to term before you have sex? No? Well then no pregnancy possibly conceived need be carried to term if not wanted.

Until you all have us women signing contracts before we have sex that we somehow give up ownership of our bodies because of a pregnancy you cannot sit here and think to claim that women magically consent to pregnancy when they were originally only consenting to have sex.

Better start writing real contracts then...and then when you present them expect to never get laid because no woman in her right mind would ever give up her rights to her bodily autonomy just to roll around in the sheets with a guy.

 

Well as pregnancy is already deemed a serious literal injury in some cases and is deemed an injury in some states laws then by making abortion illegal you are by definition denying medical treatment.

Regardless of how you personally feel about pregnancy, it cannot be denied that the changes that occur are injuries to a non-consenting person, whether they are part of a natural process or not is irrelevant .. what it boils down to is consent, a woman who consents to remain pregnant accepts the injuries incurred, a woman who does not consent to remain pregnant does not accept the injuries incurred. Individual consent in most societies and most legal system is of primary importance.

By trying to ban abortion you are attempting to grant a zef greater rights than any other person alive and then once born you remove those rights.

1. A non-pregnant woman has the same rights as any other person, she has complete control over who,what and when her body is used.
2. once pregnant a woman loses the right to control her body, in essence her womb becomes state property. The zef is granted the right to use her body in order to sustain its own life, a right no other person has.
3. once the birth has taken place the woman regains her previously lost right of control over who, what and when her body is used, while the (now) baby loses the right to use another persons body in order to sustain its own life.

Why do you feel the need to be so free and easy with other peoples rights?

 

Erm, yes it can, and again you are comparing apples and oranges a credit card is an example of a contractual consent, try getting a credit card by just saying you will pay the debt .. you will be laughed out of the bank.

I'll post this again as you obviously didn't read it

Consent is defined as "1) n. a voluntary agreement to another's proposition. 2) v. to voluntarily agree to an act or proposal of another, which may range from contracts to sexual relations.", I've highlighted the relevant words, consent must be voluntary, by definition laws banning abortion are removing the voluntary consent of the woman to remain pregnant.

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Depends on your moral viewpoint.

 

Giving birth to a baby is comparable to paying credit card debt.

 

Exactly how do you come to that conclusion then, being as paying a credit card debt is contractual consent ie you sign an agreement (contract) stating you will do so, can you show me the contract signed by a woman (or/and a man) that states that the woman will remain pregnant on the off chance it happens.

 

LMFAO!!!