Petition to ban Trump from meeting the queen gathers a million signatures

Great map.. Something to consider re: defense budgets.

 

Instead of lying, yes, they should shut up or be shut down as a propaganda outlet. If they want to tell the FACTS, then do it. MSM distorts the truth or out-and-out lies. They have been caught so many times, yet, they still keep doing it.

 

My "dubious" source is CNN. I am glad you're coming around on mainstream media..... And you're probably not aware of the fact that NATO is a mutual defense pact which means that the entire defense budget of all countries may and will if necessary be used on mutual defense. And the entire defense budgets of NATO states are shown in the chart with the US contributing 70% ($650 billion out of $$900) toward the budget. The defense budget of all other 23 NATO members is 1/3 of the US defense budget.



http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/08/news/nato-summit-spending-countries/

 

You don't know the answers because you haven't taken the trouble to think this through first.

The US can't afford to abandon it's bases in Germany for strategic reasons and it can't make an example out of one NATO nation without having a problem with the rest of the NATO states.

The NATO alliance has only ever been invoked once in it's history and that was to aid the USA after 9/11.

America has more to lose than it would gain if it arbitrarily tried to dissolve NATO.

Trump is an ignoramus when it come to military strategy, politics, diplomacy and the global economy and that is just tip of the list of his myriad shortcomings.

 

No, for the most part, these are really protesters-for-hire. They are paid by Soros. They should rescind his citizenship and send him packing. You may notice that Liberals don't seem to be gainfully employed.

 

It is a fallacy to allege that 100% of the US defense budget is dedicated to NATO.

 

I think there were about 25000 in Westminster alone last night, and there were similar protests in 4 or 5 other English cities. You're surely not suggesting Soros sent them all a cheque for services rendered are you?

 

NATO is a "mutual defense" pact which means all military resources of all members are pulled together for mutual defense if necessary. But again, even if you take a fraction of the US defense budget into account, you should take the same fraction of other NATO members and the ratio will not change, the US contributes 2.5 times more to mutual defense than the other 23 NATO states combined.

 

Which of the following are lies? http://www.theroot.com/trumps-tall-tales-lies-and-exaggerations-in-his-first-1791803293

 

Then there's this stuff: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/po...tracker-every-offensive-comment-in-one-place/

 

You are complaining about what goes on in the USA and look at your country.You need to sweep around your door, Merkel has made quite the mess.

 

'The Root' You must've searched long and hard for that one!

 

Yep, he is the President but he didn't get the majority of the vote,, that would be the dim witted masses who didn't vote for him.

 

How about this: http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
There's loads more; you need only ask-or are you going to deny Trump is a serial liar?

 

There are 28 NATO members. When they join, they promise to spend 2% of their GDP on defense. Of the 28 nations, only the US, Greece, Poland, Estonia and the UK live up to their promise. One of the worst offenders is Canada which contributes less than 1%. Even your messiah Obama chastised Trudeau for not chipping in more. NATO spent atotal of $900.5 billion on defense. According to NATO statistics, the U.S. spent an estimated $650 billion on defense last year. That's more than double the amount all the other 27 NATO countries spent between them, even though their combined GDP tops that of the U.S.

 

The gambles with the numbers unfortunately includes points, which are gladly overlooked!

01. Not the whole US budget has anything to do with NATO, but also includes issues that have nothing to do with NATO at all! For example the whole cost of the US bases in the Pacific ... or is anyone in the Pacific NATO member? But these costs are at least not put out of the gambling of numbers!

02. The maintenance of US bases in Europe is borne by the countries in which the bases are located to a considerable extent. This, however, is not taken into account with the whole gambling with the numbers!

The fact is, however, that the NATO Treaty stipulates how much of its revenue everyone has to put into the defense and that here most Europeans do not follow this rule and spend less.The general criticism on this is completely justified and with regard to my own country, I'm also not enthusiastic, since there is a considerable traffic jam in expenditure, which limits the employability of forces. Here it is time that this is finally done!

However, this so-often-made, simple comparison of the US budget with those of others is simply nonsense. Adjusted for the funds that have nothing to do with NATO, the figures look quite different!

 

I'm not going to check out every bloody wacko site you come up with, Give me one lie that Trump has said. No, before doing that, respond to my previous post about his immigration policy. I've been waiting for over 24 hours for it.

 

Where do you find those websites? No wonder you listen faithfully to left wing media. They love their lemmings....worry about your government. I find it humorous that Britain doesn't think that Trump is "good enough" to meet the queen when the royals are scandal ridden. I especially like the stories about Prince Charles and Camilla. and there's always that lovely picture of the future queen giving the Nazi salute when she was much younger...

 

It only looks different if you "adjust" the US budget and don't adjust the budget of other NATO members. Even if we follow your logic but make the adjustments to all members, not just the US, the ratio of 2.5 to 1 between the US and all other 23 NATO members combined will not change.

PS Personally, the whole point of mutual defense is that all resources are used if necessary so I doubt that any adjustment is necessary but even with the adjustments applied to all countries, the disproportionate US contribution to the alliance's defense remains disproportionate.

 

What is wrong with my country in sour opinion? What has Merkel done so messy?

Ahhh ... I think you mean again this boring and totally nonsense of topic called "refugee wave"? Oh dear ... when do these stubborn US righties get in their head that they are blabbering such an ultimate BS about that it normally hurts!

Simple questions to you American:

How many in % of these "hordes of so evil refugees" are at least Muslim at all about?
How many of these Muslims are not Sunni confession what excludes them automatically to be any terrorist of ISIS, because ISIS is only Sunni and kills all Muslims which are not Sunni, but Alevi, Shiite etc.?

Answer this question for your own if you are interested in any truth and facts, but not in righty BS propaganda blabbering only!

And yes, I care about what this troll in White House is doing, because unfortunately the USA is not "Unimportant States of America" and so what he does has always influence around the globe and so for my country too.
And if such facts as TTP issue which are named are uncomfortable to accept because showing that Trump is making BS against the USA at least, then you have a real problem!

 

The petition is now up to 1.6 million signatures.

 

Maybe, but only very small, because much of the US issues has nothing to do with NATO or are points which can be seen otherwise. Lets take for example the fleet of 10 Nimitz class carriers which will be extended the next years to some vessels more. Are the immense costs of this fleet inside US budget something which are full or in major part a NATO issue? Very questionable at least... and can be discussed endless, but these costs are full inside the comparison included!
Or lets take the costs of all the US National Guards into account, which are in priority homeland defense forces and only after this a sort of reserve to fulfill US Forces in international missions as reserve force ... which are again rarely NATO missions.

 

I find it amusing how the US Righties suddenly stand up for things, find good and propagate them to be normal ... things and positions and ideologies where their own grandfathers went into war against Hitler to eliminate them.

 

The other petition to let him in is 6,000 away from 100,000 and growing by the second. At 100,000 signatures, Parliament has to debate it.

 

It's a waste of ink and paper. But please do keep on with your delusions.