PFbros, your thoughts on this one?

Is anyone else completely puzzled by the recent actions of Governor Ron DeSantis and Governor Greg Abbot with regard to illegal immigrants? The whole Martha's Vineyard fiasco?

Here is how I see it, and tell me where you see things differently:

They merely orchestrated the transportation of illegal immigrants from their points of entry to a location deeper within the interior of the country whereupon they were shielded from deportation. Hooray, said every Republican at first, except for me. Any Democrat would gladly receive credit for such an act. Am I crazy here or did that appeal only to Democrats and to the most shortsighted and spiteful of Republican voters?

I wonder if Donald Trump might bring this up during live debate someday soon.

 

It was a stunt to send the message: "Heres a taste of your own medicine" Of course, by using illegal immigrants as political pawns, they stooped down to the Dems level.

 

It was a dumb stunt, and from what I understand, many of the immigrants were asylum seekers . . . which is legal.

 

US border states are taking in migrants many times the population of Marthas Vineyard every week. So they decided to send a few bus loads up there where the Kennedys and the Obamas live to let them see how it feels. I thought it was a genius move.

Prove me wrong.

 

Politicians can be shortsighted and pull a political stunt without considering the potential negatives. A bit of a self inflicted wound. I think there are more effective ways to address the issue. The stunt was red meat for partisans on the right while the rest of us saw it for the propaganda it was.

 

Illegals for thee not for me! Places where illegals aren’t costing millions are suddenly upset when the problem is in their back yard.

 

florida's job creators want cheap hurricane clean up labor. i'm sure they are getting their share.

 

It’s good politics and it’s good humanitarianism. Border states can’t handle them, send them to places that say they can.

the idea that these illegals would have instead been deported is frankly so hilariously ignorant in the face of millions of illegals not being deported that it doesn’t even need a response to it, only an incredulous “really? U serious bro?”

 

Everybody needs cheap labor these days that's why it makes so much sense to send bus loads of them up to Marthas Vineyard. I bet they have good paying jobs before they even get off the bus.

 

I think the partisan right were thinking of making the left feel a small amount of their pain thus giving the left a perspective they lacked. In reality many on the left saw it as human trafficking and using desperate humans as political pawns. In the end it did nothing to resolve the issue and simply further divided the two sides. It was bad leadership that should not be celebrated.

 

Probably not. The border problem and the Biden Administration ignoring it, or ABETTING IT, are prime concerns on the right.

 

Asylum seekers don't rate automatic asylum. The fact that they didn't follow the law to seek asylum makes them illegal aliens.

 

The Establishment, thru policies implemented mostly by the Democratic Party, are erasing our borders, importing more ignorant people, and using our money against us as the cost is simply added on to our debt burden.

The Republicans will bark and growl about it, but the Party Leadership (who also take their orders from the Establishment) will ensure that nothing is done to reverse course.

The media is also controlled by the Establishment, and the status quo will endure. Liberal cheerleaders will promote the destructive policies, and the fools who believe everything they say will cackle with glee as the country continues to burn.

We live in Orwellian times.

The big question now is - when will the next big crisis be unveiled for your viewing pleasure??

 

Words spoken by someone who doesn't comprehend the asylum process.

 

These are political media stunts and how they were reelected into office.

They were not technically illegal. They were migrants who were going through the process of asylum/refugee status under 8 USC 1158.

 

Ok, I agree but I thought that's what I said.

 

That is bull hockey.

The issue is much deeper than that. Let me explain it to you this way. You live in a large, gated community with dividers in the center between the north and south. A fire erupts in the deep south part of the gated community and people flee the uncontrolled fires, coming over to the north side. You refuse to help them put out the fire because it is "not your fire on your property." So, they climb over the wall in order to flee and you get upset because they are not coming through the locked gate at the center of the large gated community. Then when the fire does reach the area you are in, you complain that the fire is there but it is too late to put out the fire, just keep the fire from not spreading any more.

The whole point of this allegorical example is this is how the soutthern border and the central and south American countries are. The fire represents the various geopolitical problems facing those countries from the gangs controlling the streets to corruption in the police and government to corruption by big enterprises in the country. So, they are fleeing, naturally.

 

here is a better idea. when the job creators are caught with illegal employees, their business , which is profiting from illegal labor, is seized in civil forfeiture. if it is an agribusiness, break it into 40 acre homesteads which any american can trade his welfare for a family farm.

 

Agreed. Though you give RonDon and Greg too much credit for their motivation. It was a campaign trail, frat boy stunt pulled off by small minded men with no interest in solving what is an intractable problem.

 

Well, do explain. Hmm?

 

So they shipped "legal asylum seekers" to Martha's Vineyard... is that a problem?

 

Very few of them were legal. Any of them who didn't go to a port of entry and request asylum and illegally crossed the border are in the country illegally. There's nothing in the asylum law that allows the illegal crossing of international borders.

 

Just a refresher - Poverty, scarce economic opportunities, displacement caused by natural disasters or a desire to reunite with family are not grounds for asylum under U.S. law. While it uses the same legal threshold, refugee status is offered to individuals abroad. Asylum, on the other hand, is only available to those on U.S. soil.

 

It is legal for them to reside here until and unless they lose their asylum case. Crossing the border illegally, while a misdemeanor, doesn't change that. And many of these folks report themselves at the border.

 

Yes. it is only available to those on US soil. And they are.