Planned Parenthood's former president says she was instructed to say 'abortion' in every interview.

I'm not religious in the least. Science and biology tells us that it's a separate human life at the moment of conception. That's the reality. What you choose to do with that reality is up to you.

 

Science does not tell us its a separate human being. It is as alive as the cells dropping from your skin every second of every day. The issue is not DNA and life, the issue is whether or not it is a human being. These are totally different questions and are essential to understanding the issue.

 

Immoral in regards to sex? What puritanical rock did you emerge from? Were we immorally screwing each other in caves for 199 thousand years until Jeebus?

 

LOL, I had guessed that biology wouldn't be your strong suit.

Uh YOU do NOT determine what is moral or not for others...

That has nothing to do with my "OH, gosh no...those who want to destroy women's right to their own bodies obviously NEVER cares about women's lives..""

..there are women who don't care what they do to others...

It most certainly IS! When a faction wants to CONTROL pregnant women by FORCING them to gestate it's ALL about control.

NO IT IS NOT...it is about RIGHTS and the FACT that women have them....despite your disfavor...

If you keep YOUR morals to yourself no one will try to force THEIR morals on you.....I bet you wouldn't like that one bit

So in that case you DO approve of "murder" !!!!

When YOU think it appropriate.....how hypocritical...

Typical dodge for an Anti-Choicer.

You didn't answer that INCONVENIENT question :

IF YOU were one of the "few" who were impregnated by a rapist would YOU want to be punished for the rest of your life for something done TO you?

WHO TF are YOU to dictate other's responsibilities!!!! God??

Women DO take ALL the responsibility for their pregnancies...including ending them....it is NOT your responsibility...

I'm not doing that.....why are you trying to dehumanize women ????

So what? Try something relevant..that isn't.


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I never said that....using your "imagination" is a sure sign you know you're losing the argument...

All those are very inconvenient....just not for you.

The comparison of women to animals and once again, YOU do NOT determine "morals"...

 

LOL, you'd better recheck your "science and biology"..

AGAIN, IF the ZEF is a separate individual why can't it be taken out of the woman and grow on it's own?

What is doing inside her if she and it are separate...just keeping warm.


Answer the question or PROVE that a ZEF is not connected physically in any way to the woman it's in ...............

 

Poor comparison as when we were in caves we were killing people/tribes without much of a worry or care. So dunno why you went to the cave man era to prove morality? lol. But to answer your question. No. Sex is not immoral. But purposefully having sex in the one and only way it's possible to create someone else knowing full well that you would just kill them if that happened. Yeah. That's immoral.

 

For the sake of discussion, how would you enforce abortion laws?

 

Even most fundamentalist Christians will agree that sex is a God given gift and not only for reproduction, so your line of thinking definitely in the minority

 

Trust me that I appear to have a much strong grasp as to the reality of what is biologically happening with regards to pregnancy than you have. lol.

How dare I consider murder to be immoral? Lol.

Well it kills your idea that men are trying to control what women do with their body. Women are free to do whatever they want with their bodies though. But when you start killing other people, it is an immoral act (obviously) and as such supersedes your body's autonomy.

Nobody forced you to put the sperm into your vagina. You did that all on your own, dear. The consequence of your willingness to allow sperm to go into your vagina is the creation of another person. Of which it is immoral to simply erase because you have to study hard for your "lesbian tap dance theory" exam.

It's about morality hun. Once again, it is immoral to willfully create someone knowing you are going to kill them because they are inconvienant. I can't help you with that. That's just the reality as to what's happening.

Murder isn't a "me" morality. It's kind of something frowned upon in most societies. Sorry to inform you.

You are aware that there are many instances medically which require us to end a life...right? You...you DO know this right? Like if someone is in a coma and will never awaken...we pull the plug? Like where the cancer medication grows beyond the financial means of the individual? Like with conjoined twins where neither will survive unless one is removed?
Like if you think this is a gotcha, I really hate to inform you that it's not. But what we don't do, is we do not kill because someone existing is an inconvenience to someone else. Ya. We just don't do that.

You spelled "society" wrong. Again. We have evolved morally since the cave man era. Sorry to inform you. LOL!

I did answer it. I'm not surprised you missed it though. Because your responses read like an emotional twelve year old having a temper tantrum in the middle of a busy store;

While morally I still think it's wrong to kill a third party simply because they exist and their removal somehow makes the rape never having happened. That's not the fault of the baby. They did nothing wrong. However. Because rape accounts for only 1 percent of all abortions if we can just get abortions limited to just outlier cases such as rape, we would be morally better off.

There. I've answered it twice now.

Again...morality isn't a "me" thing. It's a knowing of right and wrong. Like I would think it's morally wrong to inflict harm on another. Rape, steal, murder? What you are asking is who am I to dictate that a morally wrong action is morally wrong? I mean it's a dumb ass question isn't it? We all have the ability to know right from wrong. You do as well...which is likely why your posts read so emotionally right now. Deep down you know it's morally bankrupt to willfully create a human being and then killing it because it's existence is inconvenient for you.

And if you don't understand how that's morally wrong then you are indeed morally bankrupt.

That is the DUMBEST think you've said so far. And that's saying something. You know and equally dumb statement would be to state "of course I took responsibility for my elderly parents, I just killed them off. See?! I took responsibility!"

You are doing a better job of that then I ever could!

 

By placing punishment on the act of abortion without just cause?

Same as any other law?

 

I don't come at this with a religious angle. I look at it from a scientific angle. Our body creates pleasure and pain receptors to let us know when things are good and things are bad. When we touch fire, we feel pain. It's a natural response to let the body know to retreat from the fire. Nature doesn't give a **** about what our past times are or how we choose to live life. Only that we carry on the species and evolve.

So nature only cares about reproduction. As the goal of our species and why we are all here. To carry on and evolve through reproduction. Even the most simplistic of life forms do this. And it's something we have done through our entire history of existing as the human race. Reproduce. Evolve. Survive.

That's the reality of it. Nature made reproduction pleasurable because reproduction is what nature wants us to do. Again. Not religious. At all.

 

You haven't thought this through.

How do you address:

Medical tourism
Abortion drugs
The internet

 

Give more context here. How do I address the internet? What?

Medical tourism? Abortion drugs? Well abortion drugs would be needed to be prescribed because your doctor has decided that based on the severity of the pregnancy, the mother's health, the fetus's health...that abortion is unfortunately needed.

I guess to answer this more broadly. If a woman is found to have committed an abortion that wasn't necessary or illegally, then she would be punished according to the law. Just as anyone is who disobeys the law. The punishment's severity is based on what society deems appropriate.

 

IF that were true you wouldn't declare the ZEF to be separate from the woman.
WHY is the ZEF inside her? To keep warm?

YOU deem abortion murder which it is not....

And others have the right to not consider abortion immoral.....unless you are claiming you are God then you do not have the right to determine other's morals..

..I doubt you'd want others to determine YOUR morals..

No, it doesn't...some men are..

Except that in an abortion no people are killed.

Only once it's BORN.

That statement and the your "punish women for having sex attitude gives more than a hint of misogyny...

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What TF is a "hun"?

And , once again, it is NOT about morality....it's about rights and laws which apply to women,too....something you seem to hate.

That's YOUR reality....not everyone's....and you do NOT rule on what is moral or not...

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In this society, and many others, abortion is NOT deemed murder

When YOU think it appropriate.....how hypocritical...

LOL, tell that to the Pentagon...

Really! You are claiming no one ever steals, rapes, murders, tortures, ....uh, have you seen the news in the last 10,000 years???

No, you never answered:You didn't answer that INCONVENIENT question :
IF YOU were one of the "few" who were impregnated by a rapist would YOU want to be punished for the rest of your life for something done TO you?""


and DO keep up the insults...they show you are losing and are against the rules

So murder is OK with you if YOU approve... got it...

Again, your morality doesn't rule....murder, rape, theft are NOT illegal because someone thinks they're immoral, they are illegal because unchecked they cause chaos in society.

Keep up the insults, they show you are losing and are against the rules

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""""Women DO take ALL the responsibility for their pregnancies...including ending them....it is NOT your responsibility..."""

you think that's dumb?!!!!? Then WHOSE responsibity is her pregnancy? Yours!!?????

Uh, elderly parents are BORN people with rights.....no comparison...or a stupid comparison.

....of presenting a coherent argument with facts....yes, I am

 

Maybe you don't, but they did, and 100 ago they shared your view, but not so much anymore. With humans sex has more than one function.

Maybe that is why you cannot see sex as a God given gift, - like a bonding agent between man and woman, and argue it is nothing but a natures call, like going to the bathroom.

 

Abortion is not murder.
( IF YOU THINK IT IS THEN WHY HAVEN'T YOU CALLED THE POLICE???????????????????)


A ZEF is not a legal person with rights.

A ZEF is part of, and connected to, the woman it's in.

Even IF it was a person it would NOT have the right to harm another without their consent.

 

You are missing the most important part. How would you enforce abortion laws. Only the pregnant woman knows shes pregnant. Abortion laws failed long before the internet and abortion drugs.

The only possibility of discovering an attempted abortion is if the black market abortion went wrong and the mother is dying from infection because she was afraid to seek medical care.

 

The proof is contained in this thread.

 

?????????????????????. Lol.

 

A mother has every bit the moral responsibility in their child even after birth. If a woman doesn't want that responsibilitythe woman shouldn't do the ONE THING that creates that responsibility.

The needless ending of human life? Ya. I consider that murder.

I mean, ya...others can consider murder to not be immoral. That just doesn't make it true regardless as to how much you want to pretend it's not.

and some women. Thanks for playing!

Except the person being killed. Lol. This argument is going to need to define what is human life soon. Just an fyi. Unless you consider the baby not human? Or not alive? lol.
Only once it's BORN.
Well. I mean at least we know that you are ok with abortion up until the baby passes through the birthing canal? And then BAMN! magically it's transformed into a person!

(that's not how biology works, fyi)

women can have as much sex as they want. There are plenty of holes to make use out of that do not result in creating people. Weeeee!

short form for 'honey'. Can also use the abbreviation 'hon'. "hun" is a bit softer in it's delivery.

Women have the same rights as men. The right to commit murder is not one of them.

Are you suggesting that women do not know how babies are created? I don't think women are that stupid. Do you think they are that stupid? Yikes!

And in many others, it is!

Uhm no. Not me. The medical industry when dealing with complicated situations that may involve ending a life to save a life. Or simply ending a life to end suffering. Try and keep up. Your emotional right now and are losing track of the many things you are quoting!

How did we bring the Pentagon into this? Lol!

Well ****! There you have it people. Since people can't stop stealing, raping torturing or murdering...we may as well just let people do it. After all we've been doing that for 10,000 years!
(Homo sapiens have been around for 300, 000 years. Just fyi...)

If I were pregnant through rape, I would have the baby carried through term and then placed under adoption. The baby didn't do anything to me and is as much a victim as I was.
There. Hope that helps!

Morally I'm being consistent. And would consider it a win if we could get abortion cut down to just those where the health of the mother and the fetus are at risk as well as rape cases. Based on the only study we have on reasons why women have abortion, that would cut the amount of abortions down over 90 percent! And I would consider that a moral victory.

LOL. That's not why they are illegal. Many things are a crime even though their acts would not cause chaos in society. Jesus christ...lol. Chaos in society is not the only bar something needs to hit to be deemed illegal. Oi!

"Hai guys! I took responsibility for my dog by running him over with my car! See?! I am responsible!"
Ending the baby's life is not taking responsibility. LOL! It's getting out from under responsibility. Since the 'burden' of pregnancy is removed. That's exactly what it is.

Yes. I think that's a dumb answer.

Elderly people are as much human and alive as a baby is inside the womb. I do not consider a human life to have needing to develop or retain any one trait through it's life cycle. A life cycle that starts at conception. Which is where this conversation needs to go. So to break that down. I do not consider a new born any less alive than a fully grown adult at 25 years. I do not consider someone to be more alive or less alive through development inside the womb. They are already their own unique individual at conception. Science tells us that.

Ya not so much. But you really know how to beat the **** out of that [enter] key over there!

 

Again. Like any other law. You only grant legal abortions based on the circumstances I've already outlined and you police them as it's discovered. If the woman wants to risk her health to get out from under the responsibility of pregnancy. Knock yourself out. Maybe the experience being dangerous and unpleasant will mean that you treat penis/vagina sex with the responsibility it deserves considering the power it wields?

 

Abortion laws simply cannot be enforced and have no benefit to society. You cannot demonstrate otherwise.

 

You said that #1 priority for liberals is to have more abortions, and then you said your claim proven by this thread, but I don't see anyone even hinting such absurd thing. Can you point to a specific post which proves it?

 

PP's highest priority is to perform more abortions. Liberals support this, but don't have the courage to admit it.

 

Maybe its your #1 priority and just don't have the courage to admit it.

See how it works.