Police Pepper Spray Peaceful UC Davis Students.

All citizens are equal in the America I live in.

They did OWN it.

They stood ... er ... sat their ground quite nicely.

Haven't seen any.

 

(*)(*)(*)(*) I wish I could find that skit from SNL with what I will call the first official OWS protester talking to candidate Bill Clinton.

Undecided Female Voter 1: See, it's like, you look all around, and you see all this stuff? And, everybody's got stuff but me! Where's mine?! Where's MY stuff?! I'm young, man! I should have stuff, too! WHERE'S MY STUFF?!!


Bill Clinton: Well, that's a really good point. I hear this a lot. I think if this election is about anything, it's about... "stuff". It's about the fact that, under Reagan, Bush, Quayle, more people are working harder and harder for less stuff.


[ Hillary nods and smiles ]

Undecided Female Voter 1: [ twitching ] Where's my stuff, man?!

Bill Clinton: Exactly! Where is your stuff? We're in danger of raising the first generation of Americans who... will have less stuff than their parents.

Undecided Female Voter 1: Stuff! Yeah!

Ted Koppel: So, has Gov. Clinton influenced the way you will vote?

Undecided Female Voter 1: I'm... not voting 'til I get my stuff!

Ted Koppel: Your lips are moving, but I don't understand a word you're saying. Thank you.


http://snltranscripts.jt.org/92/92anightline.phtml

 

Yeah, I always wished I had a fat friend for that reason.

UC Davis is one of the most liberal institutions in the country, of course the faculty, students, and parents are making such demands. More than likely nobody is going to lose their job, and nobody as of now has as you claimed.

In my head movie, I see a bunch of young skulls full of mush not obeying lawful orders by the police. They were told, even days before, to clear the area and were given many warnings to disperse. So should the police just have let them sit there disobeying lawful orders?
The police saw they were surrounded and outnumbered by a bunch of young students basically saying (*)(*)(*)(*) authority. From the officers' perspective, in the moment, it was a better move to pacify the squatters by distracting them with a temporary burning sensation to the face before physically removing them, thereby reducing the possibility of one of the squatters starting some brawl that could grow into a riot and possibly causing permanent damage to all involved.

Would it have been better if the cops just started beating students?

 

That's baloney. Some had put up and who had put up tents on campus (AGAINST THE LAW)....and been ordered to take down the tents and get out by 3p.m. They refused to do so. And when they surrounded the police who were tryng to remove some of these protesters......the police felt threatened. Even then, the protesters were warned what would happen. But they refused to cooperate and follow orders of police. So, what makes these people think they can disrupt a University in this manner? Just who do they think they are? Union involvement too, BTW.

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  Rich Pedroncelli / Associated Press
  
  Demonstrators show their support for protesters arrested on the UC Davis quad. Students claimed police used pepper spray on people sitting on the ground. Police said officers had to use the spray when students surrounded them.
  
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  Randall Benton / rbenton@sacbee.com
  
  UC Davis police watch as protesters take down a tent on the campus quad Friday after demonstrators and police had clashed.
  

Rich Pedroncelli / Associated Press

Demonstrators show their support for protesters arrested on the UC Davis quad. Students claimed police used pepper spray on people sitting on the ground. Police said officers had to use the spray when students surrounded them.



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10 Occupy protesters arrested in UC Davis quad
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A confrontation between police and Occupy protesters at UC Davis ended Friday afternoon with the arrest of 10 students after police officers used pepper spray to force protesters from an encampment in the campus quad, according to protest supporters and a campus police chief.
Police then left after ordering the remaining protesters to take down tents that had been put up Thursday.

Students said police used pepper spray on a group who sat on the ground and linked arms, blocking officers who were arresting other students.
"I saw one of my friends lifted in the air and thrown down," said Sophia Kamran, 21, a fourth-year student.
Video shot Friday of the tense standoff between police and the demonstrators was posted on YouTube showing an officer using pepper spray on a group of protesters sitting on the ground with their arms interlocked.
An Occupy Davis encampment has been in place in downtown Davis for more than a month, but students increased their involvement following an afternoon rally Tuesday. A couple of dozen students were allowed to sleep overnight in the university administration building. They were evicted from the building Wednesday afternoon and began camping in the quad Thursday.

Nick Perrone, a graduate student in history and recording secretary for UAW Local 2865, the union representing graduate student workers on campus, said the union was among those supporting the Occupy protesters.

Perrone said they were notified by Chancellor Linda Katehi on Friday morning that they were required to remove the tents by 3 p.m.
Karen Nikos, a UC Davis spokeswoman, said the campers were given written warning to remove the tents by 3 p.m. or police would remove them. She said many of the campers did take down their tents before police arrived.

Shortly before 4 p.m., about 35 officers from UC Davis and other UC campuses as well as the city of Davis responded to the protest, said Annette Spicuzza, UC Davis police chief. They were wearing protective gear and some held batons.
The protest initially involved about 50 students, Spicuzza said, but swelled to about 200 as the confrontation with police escalated.
She said officers were forced to use pepper spray when students surrounded them. They used a sweeping motion on the group, per procedure, to avoid injury, she said.
The students were informed repeatedly ahead of time that if they didn't move, force would be used, she said.
"There was no way out of that circle," Spicuzza said. "They were cutting the officers off from their support. It's a very volatile situation."



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I did feel a bit sorry for those who got sprayed; but not so much anymore. ​

 

What part of "sad for the innocent" didn't you grasp? Guess what, they were destroying buildings, they were told to disperse, they threw bottles at the guardsmen. Guardsmen aren't that well trained (at that time) somone got scared, others followed suit. The vintage WW2 Garands bit back, sucks to be the innocent, great the guilty were squelched. Happyness is a warm Garand....bang bang choo choo!

 

Put your foot on the shoulder of one, pull upward at the shoulder of the other applying force to pressure point in the armpit or neck of another, and they WILL come apart.

Takes two cops to break up that whole group and take them into custody... and no offensive video to circulate on the internet, you don't lose your job and neither does your boss.

Or you cuff them all, and sit there till they get hungry and ask to be released.

 

That's incredible -- she must not have seen the video.

 

You can make up whatever elaborate explanations you need to in order to justify the behavior of this dishonorable pig, but I saw the video, and the photo evidence with my own eyes, and what he did was wrong.

As far as having a tent on campus...who cares? Why is that even against the law?

 

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/19/us/california-pepper-spray/index.html

http://gawker.com/5861100/heres-a-cop-just-casually-pepper-spraying-peaceful-protesters


Kinda weird dontcha think?

 

This post makes you sound like a psychopath. That isn't an insult either, just an honest psychological appraisal.

 

But you only saw the portion that those who protested put on YouTube.

These students and/or Occupy protesters from the downtown area, had broken the law. They had already committed misdemeanors---Failure to disperse after police orders AND occupying a building without permission of the owner. AND AFTER many warnings and notification of what would happen IF they did not follow the orders.......what did they expect would happen?

They have no one to blame but themselves.

 

Sick!

 

Yes, that'll defiantly get those guys up and out, and that's what cops normally do. Cuffing them all until they need to pee or eat would take longer but is just as effective.

But you're leaving out the part about what to do when the police are surrounded and outnumbered by an increasingly hostile crowd chanting in their faces. It only takes one confrontation initiated by a protester to start the fire of a riot, if the crowd sees just one person fight back then it could get real ugly real fast. Mob mentality is a scary thing, the cops know this, that's why they take the offensive in situations like these to pacify the mob.

Instead of the crowd thinking, "Hey, Billy fought back then so can we! There's more of us then them." and starting a malay where things go pear shaped fast. They think, "(*)(*)(*)(*), Billy just got pepper sprayed! We don't want to get pepper sprayed."

Situations like these are dynamic and volatile, things can change in a heartbeat and people can get seriously hurt. Pepper spray is temporary and leaves no lasting problems.

 

And you forgot the part where they didn't surround the police until they performed this act.

Go ahead. Watch the video. What you will notice, if you are paying attention... is that the people locked arm in arm are sitting in a circle.

What is in the middle of that circle... do you know? I do.

 

You might feel differently if you had a son or daughter going to school there and feared these protests could get out-of-hand. I don't know of ANY campus in our country who would allow tents, occupying of buildings, and the surrounding of police who were trying to do their jobs.

NOT ONE.

 

What??? You would support YOUR son or daughter's college campaus being taken over by the Occupy Wallstreet gang? So, if you let it get started, they are there....and it only gets worse. It's kind of like what former NY Mayor Guliani said recently about the OWS gange in New York City. He said he would have stopped it when it began.....instead of letting it get to this point as Bloomberg has.

 

In fairness to the board...

Those two posters are not representative of the conservatives here. Don't want you to get a bad taste.

There are whack jobs on all sides... but... they are the minority of the brave behind a keyboard.

 

Indeed.

The young man at the end of the Gawker article reinforces your argument well:

"When they see us on the quad, a student might think that maybe there are weird people camping on the Quad," Gutierrez said. "Once they see this, all they see is cops hitting students. They might have thought, ‘Those are people different than me, I would never (protest).'

"Now they see this is awful, and they'll come out for the same reason I came out."​

 

Oh noes... the students wanted to stay in tents in a University building that is open 24/7 to students, and were removed without incident or arrest.

THE HORROR!!!

 

The cops were surrounded the entire time, they were in the middle of the circle and a bunch of people were all around the outside of the circle, you're the one who needs to pay more attention.

Bottom line is, pepper spraying people disobeying lawful orders is NOT police brutality, no matter how you spin it.

 

True.

If you want to make this argument, that's fine. I disagree with you, but at least you are saying something that is somewhat reasonable.

But what the police chief is claiming is absurd on its face. The police had no choice but to pepper spray the students? Good God. Did you watch the video? Did you see how nonchalantly the officer strolled back and forth in front of the motionless protesters seated in front of him? Was he being threatened in the slightest by anyone?!?

I'm sorry, but that statement is the most ridiculous thing I've heard since Donald Trump talked about humility.

 

That is right.

But it can't go on forever, the school loan bubble is going to burst just like housing did.

 

How did you want the cop to act? Scream and stomp his feet? Or smiling and laughing? How about he runs around spraying them like he was playing duck-duck-goose?

He acted professionally and facilitated the disbursement of idiots disobeying a lawful order.

 

Yup, same concept at play with college tuitions. But will they see the writing on the wall and stop it?

Nope.

 

Did you know that you can arrest someone for a crime without pepper spraying a large group of non aggressive people sitting on the ground?