Police seize 5,000 'dangerous dogs' over three years

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  1. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Look at this photo and note the unmistakable evil in the eyes?

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    And this one, and imagine chunks of flesh being ripped out of a child (or worse, an adult - a child wouldn't have the sentient awareness of what was happening, and the pain would be over more quickly)

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    Now spare a thought for the poor kids who have been needlessly and literally ripped to pieces because of the devastatingly flawed Dangerous Dogs legislation drafted and passed by spineless politicians propitiating the canine lobbies. And to that think that despite this news there will still be morons who actually choose to keep these kinds of dog in a family situation. Human stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36031843
     
  2. Capitalism

    Capitalism Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Both of those dogs have been actively trained and used in Dog fights.

    How would you feel about people them? growing up in a cage getting beaten and then getting tossed to the pit to fight?

    Hint hint, you wouldn't be any different.

    Now, Pitbulls do show a genetic deformity at a rate unprecedented in other breeds, and it does lead to psychosis and aggression. But, just because something is dangerous doesn't mean we shouldn't be allowed to own them. I do believe if you choose to own a dog breed that has issues like this you should also be responsible for the dogs actions. Your dog rips a child apart, we put you and the dog down.
     
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    It seems that this is the solution: make people who get these dogs liable for the damage their dogs do. If they bite someone, they are themselves guilty of assault. If they kill a kid, they ought to have manslaughter charges filed against them. That sort of thing.

    I don't really agree with euthanizing dogs who attack others, except wild dogs.
     
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    Save the dogs, execute the owners.
     
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    No, , your analysis is wrong. Each breed of dog has different traits and few - if any - pitbull attacks (which account for more dog attacks than all other breeds combined) were ever trained to fight or put into a dog fighting pit. Not 1/1000th of 1% of pitbulls alive in the USA were ever trained to dog fight. Rather, they were breed to attack and fight.

    They were breed for aggressiveness across many, many generations. Just like a Lassie style or Border collie will never attack anything to kill it - because for generations any collie that killed anything in the UK was required to be destroyed by law, so killing was breed out of them. Attacking and killing has been breed into pitbulls for many generations. They are what they were breed to be. An attack, killing dog.

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    Except people wouldn't be put down and none of that would bring the child back to life, would it?
     
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There was a child killed here last year but the family pitbull. As is common, the family more stressed out over the dog being seized and put down rather than their own child killed by that dog - making excuses for the dog.

    Pitbulls are wonderful pets - until and unless whatever it is breed into them causing them to attack. Their jaws are massively powerful. We had a big pit-lab mix and that dog could crush a full sized cow-bone like a person chewing on ice. He was left with us "temporarily" while a person traveled - and never came back for him. He was an amazingly gentle dog generally and would watch though the house even careful not to knock anything over. Very loving and protective - getting between us and any stranger who approached. Anything foreign or potentially dangerous and he'd go on alert, and then that deep growl showing his canine teeth - very much scaring that person(s) approaching.

    We kept him - always - away from the children regardless of his seeming sweet nature.

    Then one day we were late on feeding him. He sat down in front of us staring - then stomped his feet stepping forward while loudly clicking his teeth. He did it again. This was very aggressive behavior. As he approached closer each time, he wasn't just clicking his teeth, but increasingly showing his canines (fangs). We fortunately found a good home for him quickly - a home without children.

    We also have two guard dogs, shepherd/pit mongrels. The are double high fenced and are mean as hell. Not to us, but would unquestionably tear up anyone else. VERY aggressvie against any stranger and anyone unknown.

    We know someone who had a pet wolf - the orginal source of all dogs. They are definitely a pack animal, demand a great deal of attention and time, and are extremely protective. Hate being alone. Ready to kill any approaching stranger. So loyal and into their pack, they can only be raised from a pup and as adults can not be adopted by anyone else because they won't accept the person. Dominance has to be established and maintained from a pup. Whose boss matters. Since they can't stand to be alone, they demand almost constant attention. However, trying to solve this with another wolf even if raised from a pup won't work, because those two will form their own pack - and then seem to recognize you're a different species and not one of them.

    Genetically, dogs are killers. For most breeds this was breed out of them - some mostly and a few entirely. But not all breeds. Not pitbulls. They were breed the opposite direction - to be highly aggressive.
     
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is a myth, a wrong one, that if a dog attacks someone it was the result of abuse by the owner. My opinion is opposite, any dog that severely injures anyone and any big dog that so much as bites a person - UNLESS truly defending someone - must be put down. Not miniature ankle-biter breeds, but all big dogs that bite without good reason should be euthanized. They can not be psychologically reformed. What is in them that caused this will always be in that dog.

    The same logic of causes of attack and safety used to be argued for people legally owning leopards as pets, which used to be popular. Finally the obvious was accepted after MANY severe attacks against the owners themselves. They're LEOPARDS! Even a domesticated house cat usually will accidently scratch its own. Why are pitbulls dangerous? BECAUSE THEY ARE PITBULLS, that's why. It is their very nature and what they were breed to be.
     
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    Yes, but that's never going to happen is it! The idea (do I really have to point this out!) is to eliminate the possibility of children or anyone else being literally torn to shreds in the first place, FFS!!!!! :wall: Do you have one of these breeds?
     
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    Quite so; and compared to Japanese Tosas they're (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)-cats.

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    Made your picture work.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Pardon me? No comprendo. [​IMG]
     
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    Capitalism Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, I keep classy breeds. My ex had 3, and they were all extremely aggressive. (all 3 were from the same litter)

    German Shephards,Transcaucasion Ovtcharkas, Pugs, and beagles here.

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    Would you ban free speech? How many people have been ripped apart, burnt to death, and tortured for nothing more than an opinion? More than dogs ever could.
     
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your picture is not showing - at least not here. All that appears in your message is the link, not the picture.
     
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    Pitbulls were selectively breed for over 1000 years to be extremely aggressive, to attack and to kill. They also have been breed to do massively destructive damage when they attack, unlike other dogs. It is the very nature of pitbulls and they were breed to exactly have this inherent traits mentally and physically.

    What is the history of the pit bull?
    The blood sport of "bull baiting" began over 1,000 years ago in England (various sources dispute this date). What is undisputed is that by 1500, bull baiting had progressed to Britain's national pastime. Bulldogs were reportedly first mentioned by name in 1631, referring to their function rather than a distinct dog breed. By 1800, and through further selective breeding, the bulldog developed into a compact muscular dog characterized by tremendous jaw strength.3
    Due to public outrage, bull baiting was banned in England in 1835. Bulldog breeders and owners then moved to the sport of "ratting," where a number of rats were placed into a pit and wagers were made on how many rats the dog could kill in a certain time period. To increase agility, quickness and prey-drive in the bulldog, ratters crossed the breed with terriers. Essentially, it was the sport of ratting that combined the bulldog and terrier into the modern day pit bull terrier.
    On the heels of ratting, dogfighting developed. Pit bulls and dogfighting were exported to America as settlers made their way to the New World. In 1884, the American Kennel Club was formed but rejected pit bulls due to their use in dogfighting. In response, Chauncey Z. Bennett formed the United Kennel Club in 1898 to bring formal recognition to the pit bull breed. At that time, Bennett also drew up rules and regulations for dogfighting to bring "organization" to the blood sport.

    Pit bulls are the dog of choice amongst dogmen, individuals who fight their pit bulls against other pit bulls. Dogmen consider pit bull terriers, who they commonly call "100% bulldogs," to be the ultimate canine gladiator. Pit bulls were selectively bred for "gameness," the ability to finish a fight. A truly gamedog will continue fighting "on stumps," two or more broken legs, and far worse.

    Why do I always read about pit bulls in the news?
    When a pit bull attacks, the injury inflicted may be catastrophic. First responders, such as police officers and firefighters, understand this as do members of the media, who are quick to report these attacks. Ongoing social tension also keeps pit bulls in the news. The pit bull problem is now over 30-years old.10 In this time, most lawmakers have been "too afraid" to take breed-specific action to correct the problem. Due to this failure, horrific maulings continue to make headlines.
    About half of all media reports regarding pit bulls involve police officers shooting dangerous pit bulls in the line of duty.11 Since the late 1970's pit bulls have been used extensively in criminal operations for drug dealers, gang members and other violent offenders. The pit bull terrier is the breed of choice for criminals. This choice is directly linked to the pit bull's selectively bred traits of robust jaw strength, a deadly bite style, tenacity (gameness) and a high tolerance to pain.

    Through selective breeding, pit bulls have developed enormous jaw strength, as well as a ruinous "hold and shake" bite style, designed to inflict the maximum damage possible on their victims. This bite trait delivered winning results in the fighting pit. When the Colorado Supreme Court upheld the Denver pit bull ban in 2005, the high court set aside characteristics that pit bulls displayed when they attack that differ from all other dog breeds. One of these characteristics was their lethal bite:

    "[pit bulls] inflict more serious wounds than other breeds. They tend to attack the deep muscles, to hold on, to shake, and to cause ripping of tissues. Pit bull attacks were compared to shark attacks."

    One of the most powerful examples of a pit bull "not letting go" occurred in an Ohio courtroom. During the Toledo v. Tellings trial (Tellings was convicted of violating the City of Toledo's pit bull ordinance), Lucas County Dog Warden Tom Skeldon showed a videotape of a tranquilized pit bull hanging from a steel cable. The dog is essentially unconscious and still does not release its grip. At the time of the taping, the pit bull was being housed at the Lucas County Animal Shelter.

    Due to selective breeding for the purposes of dogfighting, pit bulls are highly dog-aggressive. This aggression is not limited to dogs; pit bulls frequently kill other companion pets and domesticated animals. Leading pit bull education websites warn pit bull owners to, "Never trust your pit bull not to fight." These same websites also state that pit bulls should never be left alone with another dog or animal.18 The practical question is: Why is "pit bull dog aggression" tolerated at all?
    Pit bull dog aggression is unacceptable for two reasons. In many instances it leads to human aggression. A common scenario is the following: A loose pit bull attacks a leashed dog being walked by its owner. The owner gets seriously injured trying to stop the attack. In 2009, two human beings suffered death due to pit bull dog aggression: Rosie Humphreys, who had been walking her two poodles, and Carter Delaney, who had tried to protect a smaller dog in his home.
    Secondly, far too many beloved companion pets and domesticated animals suffer a violent death by the powerful jaws of pit bull terriers each year. In some instances, these attacks involve pit bulls charging through screen doors of private homes -- in a home invasion attack -- to kill the pet living inside.19 Owners of the pet are then forced to watch as their pet is disemboweled by the pit bull and pray that the dog does not turn its attention on an innocent family member next.

    http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-faq.php
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    'Some dogs don't let go'? (the subtext of the article). Jesus what a way to die - watching your lifeblood draining away at the same time as feeling the most unimaginable pain as those fangs keep ripping into different parts of your body until the pain can no longer be felt. I'd guess that anyone in that situation would be praying for the end to come quickly.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What an utterly ridiculous simile.
     
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    Capitalism Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Ridiculous", but completely factual.
     

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