Political Crisis in Baghdad Hits Boiling Point

By Sharon Behn
April 14, 2016


Iraqi lawmakers broke into fistfights Thursday as Baghdad plunged deep into a political crisis over how the fractured country should be governed.

The first victim of the scrum appears to have been the outspoken Sunni Speaker of Parliament Salim al Jabouri. But several lawmakers also have been calling for the ouster of Prime Minister Haider al Abadi and even President Mohammed Fuad Masum.

The three are still holding onto their posts, but lawmaker and former national security advisor Muwaffak al Rubaie told VOA their positions “are untenable.”

“Either we have general elections or we go back to parliament and choose a new president, a new speaker and prime minister,” al Rubaie said, adding, “I don’t think new elections are practical now.”


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A minimum of 10,000 American forces would have kept relative peace and stopped ISIS but if one thinks democracy or anything like it was coming soon to this country, they are wrong. You can’t force democracy on a people with no experience or history of it in the relatively recent past. The blood of Mosul, Paris, Brussels, Molenbeek is on the hand of Barry, Biden, Hillary and the Progressive Marxist Socialists that decided to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. The latest iteration of Islam, the JV - Jihad Varsity ISIS is coming to a locale near you via the invaders resettlement program. IMO, they should all be tried for treason and failure to support our National Security.

 

So why did Bush sign the SOFA that mandated our withdrawal and fail to get a permanent troop presence negotiated?

Better question: why did he go into Iraq at all if you clearly can't impose democracy?

Should Bush be charged with treason for invading and destabilizing Iraq in the first place?

 

I could have told you that you cannot force democracy on a people with no experience or history of democracy back before Shock 'n Awe and, in fact, I DID!!!. Trying to force democracy on a country divided between Sunni and Shia, who have hated and murdered each other for centuries, was preposterous. Fact of the matter is, BushCo KNEW it. So just WHO has all this blood on their hands if not George Bush and his band of merry neocon brigands??? Trying to blame Mosul, Paris, Brussels, etc. on Obama is oafish.

 

Did you read Obama's quote? Two years after Bush left office, Obama took credit for the stable secure Iraq HE was abandoning. If it was stable and secure thanks to Obama and it was his decision to leave and it descended into chaos, it was Obama's fault. Because, you see, BUSH WASN'T PRESIDENT WHEN OBAMA CLAIMED IRAQ WAS STABLE, PEACEFUL AND SECURE AND DECIDED TO BUG OUT.

BUSH WASN'T PRESIDENT WHEN OBAMA CLAIMED IRAQ WAS STABLE, PEACEFUL AND SECURE AND DECIDED TO BUG OUT.

BUSH WASN'T PRESIDENT WHEN OBAMA CLAIMED IRAQ WAS STABLE PEACEFUL AND SECURE AND DECIDED TO BUG OUT.

Hate to be repetitive, but the anti-Bush people repeat the same lies over and over so its necessary to repeat the facts numerous times.

 

Why didn't Obama negotiate a new agreement?

Better question: why didn't Obama listen to his generals instead of pulling out, knowing full well it would lead to the creation of Isis?

Should Obama be charged with crimes against humanity and genocide for enabling Isis to behead and murder 10s of thousands, while referring to them as the jv team?

 

Yep. He sure did. Obama is and was a liar.

Wait, were you expecting me to defend Obama?

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What evidence do you have the Iraqi government was willing to drop their demand to be able to try US troops in Iraqi courts?

 

Obama couldn't do that without reneging on Iraq "sovereignty"..

 

Obama Flips on Immunity for U.S. Troops in Iraq

 

Quite frankly, so the hell what? The Iraqis simply wouldn't sign an SOF agreement and, as they're a sovereign nation, we couldn't stay, no matter what Obama stated.

Obama was clearly wrong, as Iraq was never stable from the point of the invasion onward, and this clearly is making you shout and become emotional.

It's not a lie that the is primarily due to the Iraqis not signing an SOF, no matter how hard you stomp your feet and scream in all caps.

Feel better?

 

So the Iraqis were willing to drop their demand THREE YEARS AFTER all of our troops withdrew?

So how does that help your argument?

 

Well after the withdrawal of troops in question here.

 

lol, like ISIS gives a crap.....

Number of US Troops in Iraq More Than 4,000, Exceeds Previous Claims

 

Nope, according to obama lovers, this is impossible.

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They didnt drop their demand and yet the troops are still there.....

and now, so is ISIS.

 

The Iraqi government gives a crap and definitely gave a crap prior to 2011.

Do you have any evidence that prior to December 31st, 2011 that the Iraqi government was willing to drop its demand to be able to try US troops in Iraqi courts?

 

If the Iraqis aren't pushing the issue, which they are not, then yes they did drop their demand.

Why can't you admit that you have no such evidence? Is your ODS just that strong?

 

lol, I posted evidence.

there are troops there, and according to you, thats impossible.

 

No, it's a simple question of dates. The withdrawal was in 2011. The article in question is from 2014 and doesn't deal with the 2011 withdrawal.

What's got you so confused about something so simple?

 

Where did I claim for it to be impossible for US troops to be in Iraq?

Why is it necessary for you to lie about me?

 

Iraq Prime Minister to appeal to Obama for more help against ISIS

 

There is no country of Iraq anymore, just the city of Baghdad.

 

Is 2015 before or after 2011?

I can't remember which it is...

/sameIQasaCon

 

lol, Your argument is bullcrap.

Obamas refusal to work out a deal with Iraq, and his desire to pullout of iraq, led to the murder of hundreds of thousands.

 

The Iraqi demand was a non starter. We weren't going to accept any SOFA that included it.

Now I ask again:

DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE THAT PRIOR TO DECEMBER 31st 2011, THAT THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT WAS WILLING TO DROP THAT DEMAND?

 

No, Iraq WAS stable after the surge. The condition in Iraq Obama took credit for had been handed to him on a platter. The whole system for withdrawal was negotiated by Bush but the SOF wasn't signed. Obama didn't WANT Iraq to sign it. He wanted to bug out. As former SecDef Gates has described, ALL of his senior national secuirity people told Obama not to fully pull out that chaos would ensue. A suitable SOF could easily have been completed because we had the leverage. Obama chose not to listen to them because he didn't want to. Against the advice of all of his own people he alone decided on the bug out. The mess there is entirely his fault.

Look up a little about the opinions Gates, Hagel and Panetta (Obama's own choices as SecDef) have about what could and should have been done to avoid the chaos Obama has led us to. Obama ignored all of them on their advice. One lesson history teaches about war is that the enemy has a vote in whether it ends. Obama's declaration that Iraq was stable and peaceful and bugging out thereafter did not consider that that was not the case if the enemy decided it wasn't.

 

Do you have any evidence that, prior to December 31st, 2011 any serious attempt was made to get the Iraqi government to drop the demand? Or was it used as an excuse to bug out? Given the disaster that was entirely predictable (and was predicted by ALL of Obama's senior National Security advisers as described by former Sec Def Gates) more could have been done to get an acceptable SOFA.