Political sleaze

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  1. logical1

    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Now it seems that the Obama admin (the most crooked ever) is going to delay most of obamacare until after the 2014 elections to HIDE how damaging to healthcare it really is.

    IMO not only is this sleazy, dishonest, but it is probably illegal. The democrats in Congress passed obamacare and Obama signed it. It is up to him to see that the law is carried out NOW, not when it is politically better for the democrats.

    Who here trusts that everything will be wonderful after the elections and that the people wont be just plain screwed when obamacare goes in to full effect?
     
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    Pardy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Obama Administration was the most crooked ever?

    Nixon tried to come up with $1 million in bribe money. Guess who he was going to give it to. His whole cabinet was as crooked as can be.... and incomparable to Obama's cabinet.
     
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    1. Link?
    2. It's all legal.
     
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    still hate the idea of a black president don't you? Willing to lie and lie and lie
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Legal------------very questionable. Just what the hell is the difference what color the president is if he refuses to carry out the duties of his office??

    katz------------Your throwing out the race card indicates that you have no logical response to my thread.

    pardy-------------Your reply about Nixon is wrong when compared with Obama, with his at least 5 major scandals, and all of his lies.
     
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    Warren G. Harding, William Howard Taft, Richard Nixon, and Ulysses S. Grant were all much more corrupt than the current president. As usual, you seem to have a lack of knowledge of history.
     
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    I don't remeber Warren Harding passing a law thru congress, giving waivers to people who donates to his campaign, and then used executive orders to delay parts of the law that is known to be unpopular after midterm elections.
     
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    Take a look at the Teapot Dome scandal. Until Watergate, it was the worst scandal in American political history.
     
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    I agree with You, especially about the Grant administration. Nixon was corrupt as well.. I'm just amazed about the slew of excuses that people are willing to make about the Affordable care act.
     
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    I'm not excusing the ACA. I didn't even address the Obama Administration's conduct. My whole point was that illogical1 called the Obama Administration the most corrupt, when there is ample evidence that they are NOT the most corrupt, and thus his assertion is partisan propaganda.
     
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    I didn't say you where.
     
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    I figured you weren't, but I don't have much faith in others on this board have reasoning skills and would say that I am excusing Obama's conduct.
     
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    I guess it depends on what you are willing to see. Are you prone to using the words "phoney scandal"?
    I can't get anyone to stick around for a discussion on Libya/Syria. Whenever I shatter the complacent comfortable beliefs of what happened in Benghazi... they run away. Normalcy bias prevents people from addressing the surveillance state we are now in. Everyone has forgotten the stonewalling and congressional contempt of fast and furious. Nobody cares about the IRS targeting and WH ties, while STILL stonewalling, including the FBI. The no-bid contract to the Obama's long time friends to create the miserable failure for four times what it cost to develop the iPhone... It isn't that there is any contest really, but that the collective left don't seem to much care what the truth is, so long as who they see as republicans don't appear right.

    The self-centered left is as devastating a scandal as has ever existed. Their willingness to be used and lied to is dangerous.

    More sleaze you won't care about A1 of WaPo
    I don't believe that democrats have the prerequisite intellectual honesty to address the scale of corruption of this administration. Their go to is "everybody does it" or "what about Bush".

    Enjoy your fantasy, as you ride the donkey to ruin.
     
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    I'd listen to you, if there was an active and relevant thread I could get into at the start that was going to look at Libya and Syria in a way that was devoid of partisan propaganda and adhered solely to realistic examination of the facts at hand.

    Both sides of the aisle are lied to. It happens when the people are spoon-fed what their beliefs are and they are discouraged from questioning what they are told.

    Funny, I don't think the words "intellectual" or "honest" could be used to describe most of the people who blindly adhere to what they are told, liberal or conservative.
     
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    Illegal arming of Libyans/AQ.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=335247&p=1063396812#post1063396812
    In there is a thread I made 7 months ago nobody read that is linked at the bottom of that page. I would deal with my next link before trying to do the big one. There is an overwhelming amount of information there... so really... I guess this is where you should start... Hiring of AQ to do our dirty work and protect Ambassador Stevens.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=335247&p=1063407245#post1063407245


    Thanks for your time. The unwillingness to see stuff because of political alignment depresses me. I will be less... (*)(*)(*)(*)ty about it.
     
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    Note I said devoid of political propaganda. I can tell just by the titles that those two threads are rife with partisan accusations.

    I'm unwilling to buy into partisan propaganda and to ignore the realities of the situation.
     
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    Sigh.
    I am not the OP. I didn't name it. The content of my post is documentation. All of my sources are credible.

    So much for intellectual honesty. I cannot help who is in office and who was responsible. I am a libertarian. I have no allegiance to the GOP. I think both parties are corrupt and rife with treason. I go on about McCains bloody involvement from the getgo. I go on about top republicans agreeing to upgrade Gaddhafi's arsenal prior to the invasion, shown by wikileak cables. I explain that nothing will come from the hearings because there is too much dirt on both sides... but the Benghazi situation is Clinton and Obama's.

    The only one too partisan to deal with truth is you. Your position is that you will discuss anything that does not reflect badly on the President. You are no different from the rest.
     
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    My position is I won't participate in a discussion that is based on partisan versions of reality whether they are Republican or Democrat. I have criticized both sides quite equally in the past. It's not my fault that most of the time the Republican version of reality is the farthest away from actual reality.
     
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    I am neither. I guess you would have to read the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing post then to make such an evaluation.
    Coward.
     
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    You get that the name of the thread you are participating and arguing in now is called political sleaze right? It is about Obama... I mean... you seem to get that and have the gravitas to participate here...

    That's honesty for you.
     
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    Hilarious...simply hilarious.

    In order to properly gleam the context of your post, I would have to read the entire discussion, and because I don't have the time or desire to read through twenty-five pages of posts, I am a coward. Nice ad hominem there. You may be a libertarian, but your tactics are straight out of the GOP playbook.

    For the record, I agree that what went on in Benghazi needed to be properly looked into, and that when Susan Rice made her remarks on Face The Nation, they were moronically premature.

    However, I don't believe in the assertion that we could have done anything to mitigate the attack. The closest American base to Benghazi was across the Med at Sigonella. The fastest a reaction force would have been able to get there would have been several hours by Osprey. By then, the attack would have been over, our people would have been dead anyway, and oh, by the way, we would have had more Americans in harms way for no reason. That's even if there was a SEAL team at Sig in the first place.
     
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    You don't need any background to address that post.

    None. It is self-evident. It is stand-alone. Where it is doesn't matter... what preceded it doesn't matter... and again... you are debating not debating a partisan thread in a thread about Obama called political sleaze. It is simple cowardice. I don't care what your uninformed opinion is. You refuse to educate yourself, and I have done all the work. So shoo... go back to your partisan debates.
     
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    Actually, background is needed in order to properly understand ANYTHING.
     
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    Background is what I provide. Just (*)(*)(*)(*) off. You don't care.
     
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    Partisan background. Not rational background. I do care, and I will not be told to (*)(*)(*)(*) off.
     

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