POLL: DHS Has Purchased 1.6 Billion Rounds of Ammo Because. . .

See here:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbe...ecurity-its-time-for-a-national-conversation/

 

If you follow conspiracy theory forums, this should be old news to you, as was that story about the trillion-dollar lawsuit.

 

i hate being the first voter in a poll.

 

So the USA recently bought enough ammunition to kill every man, woman, and child in the entire country 5 times over, with ammunition to spare? It is not as if there is any major war going on. How is this not concerning?

 

using hollow points on anyone other than your own civilians is a war crime. knowing how concerned the Obamareich is about international opinion, putting down an internal revolt is the only answer other than alien invasion or these contracts going to Obama fundraisers.

 

Option #4. Eh. Though I hate to ponder such a thing, I suppose I am realistic of the situation. I have felt for some time that the US government is preparing for something "bad". I can't say whether it is going to be from an attack, debt or disease, but I firmly believe that something major is going to happen which gives way to much stronger domestic policies and practices being ushered in. It is, if you pay attention to the news and what is actually happening around the globe, that we're hanging on by a thread, and in several different areas and arguments. But it's been like that for a long time, right? Yeah, only thing is, like with US domestic polices for example, they've been changing and getting more and more and more intrusive since 9/11. I don't think I need to list the ways in which our Constitutional Rights are violated by the Federal Government, the media and others have gotten the message out plenty already. What I am wanting to illustrate is a natural progression of more and more intrusion over the years. It has just been reported recently that DHS will be scanning e-mails and web traffic and that the CIA tries to collect everything and then wants to keep all of the data it has forever. Then we've got the drones. They're already flying around in US skies. Mayor Bloomberg is calling for them in NYC. You've got the liberal media demonizing guns and gun-owners, which has turned, aimed by the LA Times, to include white conservative males. And of course, a white supremacist assassinated the Colorado prison chief. While the liberals will be yelling out hatred towards white supremacists, if you pay attention, you'll hear instead nothing but negativity and hatred for whites, conservatives and the 2nd Amendment. The Department of Homeland Security buying up a billion rounds of ammunition can only serve a few logical purposes. One, they're about to do some serious training. Two, they're about to go to War with a lot of drug gangs, including the Mexican Cartels which have infiltrated the US. Three, they're stockpiling to upset the ebb and flow of ammunition on store shelves or available to stores in the US. Four, they're preparing for the breakdown of US civil society. Five, they're preparing to enforce martial law. Six, they like to buy in bulk. Seven, they're preparing to enforce the removal of banned firearms from resistant gun-owners. Eight, they're preparing for the War over the 2nd Amendment. Nine, they're preparing for something long-term. It could be any one or any combination. And that is to say that there aren't more logical purposes to be conceived of. But, in the end, I think that some of those bullets will end up in human beings. Whether it is justified, controversial or alarming will have to be determined when that bridge is passed though.

 

Ten: You have a very active imagination.

 

You so funny!

Since clearly you have all the answers, tell us why DHS has bought over a billion rounds of ammunition.

 

I do not claim to know why, I was simply commenting on the imagined reasons within this thread as I find them quite silly if not bordering on conspiracy theory.

I tend to use facts instead:
"The Department of Homeland Security responded Friday to questions from Rep. Tim Huelskamp, R-Kan., about why the agency was allegedly planning to buy some 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition over the next five years.

DHS told Whispers it regularly fills all of its goods and services requirements at one time because it's cheaper for the agency, and that the 1.6 billion number was misleading because the language of DHS's purchase said it would need "up to" a certain amount.

One solicitation by the agency—for training centers and law enforcement personnel—was for "up to" 750 million rounds of training ammunition over the next five years, DHS spokesman Peter Boogaard told Whispers.

Another five-year contract allows for the purchase of "up to" 450 million rounds of ammunition, he said, and was also for law enforcement. Boogaard noted that the contract would be used by all DHS agencies except the Coast Guard."
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/wa.../03/22/dhs-denies-massive-ammunition-purchase


I know....terrible habit that spoils the fun.

 

So in DHS' official point-of-view, its a #1 and a #6. Okay. 'Cause last I had heard, they weren't even acknowledging that they had bought the ammunition, and were even denying the allegations. You think that prognosticating about DHS' ammunition purchases, if it is contrary to what is officially said, is conspiracy theory? I mean, you do realize what DHS is and what it does, right? But I would love for you to go line-by-line through post #6 and dispel what I said, since you obviously disagree with it, and clearly trust DHS at their word and that's the end of your thinking on the situation. It's just a #1 and a #6. Training and bulk-buying.

 

As Requested:

The rest is where it gets a bit out there in my mind.....thus borderline conspiracy theory.

 

Did you know that just one agency in the DHS has 21000 armed personnel? Those 21000 armed personnel must qualify with their firearms 4 times a year using 72 rounds each. doing a bit of math that comes out to over 60 million rounds a year, this is just with the pistol. Now when you consider that DHS has about 5 major agencies in it.. lets just say they average out 40 million rounds a year and we have them using up 200 million rounds a year... just qualifying ( this lowballing it) .. this doesn't include training. As one wise soul has posted just above.. they don't get all this ammo at once..... what manufacturer has billions of rounds sitting on a shelf waiting for a bulk order?

One more thing... hollow point ammo is used because full metal jacket ammo goes right through targets doing minimal damage... causing all sorts of problems for stuff behind the target.

 

It's not wise to dismiss conspiracy theories. Sure, some are outlandish, but just as many have been shown to be true.

Before the US entered WWII, there was a "conspiracy theory" going around that Adolf Hitler was running secret concentration camps. (And it's also public knowledge today that the US govt. was actively pursuing a disinfo campaign to quell the idea among the general population, fearing that public sympathy and outrage would propel the US into the war.)

"Don't worry about all those silly things people have been saying," said Uncle Sam whilst shoving a boot up John Q. Public's rear. "We only care for your well-being. No need to investigumate big bad scary things."

 

Simple: they haven't.

They have set up a contract to provide UP TO a billion rounds of ammo to be delivered over a period of several years.

 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,543822,00.html

 

I have a basic problem with the Regimes explanation for all these purchases...They first say that they have no intention of buying 1.6 BILLION rounds of various ammo. They only used that number to protect their ability to get a bulk purchase deal...OK, if that is true, then why do they keep letting new contracts. Just today they reported another contract for 360,000 rounds of the same ammo already covered in their other contracts...Why not simply buy 360K rounds on an existing contract. They claim that was the purpose of the giant contracts already made...

They are lying to us again...

 

Me making an agreement with a company that I can buy up to a set number of items does not mean I have bought them or that I even will it means that I can buy them, unfortunately it is obvious some here are either too slow to understand that or are ignoring it to further their own agenda, you descide which it is. The thread is based on a falsehood making it nothing more than a right-wing fantasy.

 

Not one right-wing conspiracy theory in the last 20 years has come true, that is good enough to me to know they are playing their own little games and we all know why.

 

They haven't actually purchased 1.6 billion rounds of hollow point ammo, or anywhere near that much.

 

Rush posited the theory today the ammo is being purchased by the govt. as a way of denying it to we civilians.

A form of gun control, called bullet control.

If we have no ammo our guns are useless.

 

They haven't purchased any ammo. They've requested quotes. That's all.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/ssabullets.asp

 

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