POLL: Is Israel our best ally?

I strongly believe that Israel is our best ally. Israel provided us with intelligence support against Saddam and its amazing scientists jointly develop weapons with us, to make the world safer against Muslim Terrorists.

Israel deserves the accolade of our closest ally.

 

I voted for Option #4 "Israel isn't America's ally, but a covert enemy".

 

As a Christian, I feel good that the USA and Israeli are top allies. A strong Israel is necessary for the Second Coming of Christ our Lord.

We must continue to provide weapons to Israel, in order to fight the soldiers of the Devil, led by Hamas and Abbas. Only once Hamas and Abbas are back in Jordan can Christ our Lord return.

 

according to the New Testament, Judaism is the anti-Christ, as they reject Christ as the Messiah. According to the Bible there is no more Jew or Greek, just those who accept Christ and those who reject him. Also, the Bible says "there are those who call themselves Jews, but are not, for they are the Synagogue of Satan".

 

They are good allies in helping us commit suicide.
Other than that, they are the idols of most US Christians who are willing to sacrifice all of America to benefit the anti-Christ Talmudists, who's traditions and customs make the Word of God/Christ of none effect. (Mark 7:13, Matthew 15:6

For if they believed in Moses, they would believe in Christ; Hence they do not believe in Moses. John 5:46

 

Ezekiel 38

8 After many days (after the Armageddon of 1918 AD), you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land, (Israel), that has recovered from war (which was their Holocaust), whose people were gathered (in 194 from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate.
They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety (in the State of Israel).

9 You and all your troops and the many nations with you will go up, advancing like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land.

10 This is what the Sovereign LORD says: On that day, (in your terrorism of the 21st century) thoughts (of Islamic demogoguery) will come into your mind and you will devise an evil scheme (to monopolize all the Energy Resources of the world).

11 You will say, I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people (those in the oil rich nations of Suadi Arabia, Yeman, Kuwait, and other OPEC Nations) all of them living without walls and without gates and bars.

12 I will plunder and loot and turn my hand against the resettled ruins (of Israel) and the people (of the Diaspora), gathered from the (Western European) nations, rich in livestock and goods, living at the center of the (Holy) land."

13 Sheba, (Yemen), and Dedan, ([alt. 1 Chron. 1:7 'Rodanim,' the island of Rhodes], west of modern Turkey between Cyprus and the mainland of Greece) and the merchants of Tarshish, (Greeks or gentiles), and all her villages will say to you, "Have you come to plunder? Have you gathered your hordes to loot, to carry off silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods and to seize much plunder?" '

14 "Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog, (Islam): 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: In that day, (1948 AD), when my people Israel are living in safety (in their own promised lands), will you not take notice of it? (It is the sign of the end, i.e.; the Fig Tree is re-established).

15 You will come from your place in the far north, you, (Turkey), and many nations with you, all of them riding on horses, a great horde, a mighty army.

16 You will advance against my people, Israel, like a cloud that covers the land. In days to come, O Gog, (Islam), I will bring you against my land, so that the nations may know me when I show myself holy, through you, before their eyes.

17 "This is what the Sovereign LORD says: 'Are you not the one, (Islam), I spoke of in former days by my servants the prophets of Israel, (Dan 12:11-13, Matt 24:15)? At that time they prophesied for years that I would bring you, (the builders of the Dome of the Rock which sits where it ought not), against them.'"

18 This is what will happen in that day: When Gog attacks the land of Israel, my hot anger will be aroused, declares the Sovereign LORD.


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I'm not sure what religion has to do with National Relations, but Israel has been a stable force in an unstable area of the World, at least as seen by most American's...not sure about Obama.

 

The Bible makes it clear, that God will punish Israel with severe and endless wrath, if they disobey his will and laws.

This is why Israel has suffered terribly ever since they rejected Christ as the Messiah.

This will continue until Israel accept Jesus as our Lord.

 

Did you insert your own texts into scripture or is that a cut and paste?

 

This is what God promised to do to Israel, for its failure to abide by his laws, and by extension accept Jesus as the Son of God:


Leviticus 26:14

Punishment for Disobedience

14 “‘But if you will not listen to me and carry out all these commands, 15 and if you reject my decrees and abhor my laws and fail to carry out all my commands and so violate my covenant, 16 then I will do this to you: I will bring on you sudden terror, wasting diseases and fever that will destroy your sight and sap your strength. You will plant seed in vain, because your enemies will eat it. 17 I will set my face against you so that you will be defeated by your enemies; those who hate you will rule over you, and you will flee even when no one is pursuing you.

18 “‘If after all this you will not listen to me, I will punish you for your sins seven times over. 19 I will break down your stubborn pride and make the sky above you like iron and the ground beneath you like bronze. 20 Your strength will be spent in vain, because your soil will not yield its crops, nor will the trees of your land yield their fruit.

21 “‘If you remain hostile toward me and refuse to listen to me, I will multiply your afflictions seven times over, as your sins deserve. 22 I will send wild animals against you, and they will rob you of your children, destroy your cattle and make you so few in number that your roads will be deserted.

23 “‘If in spite of these things you do not accept my correction but continue to be hostile toward me, 24 I myself will be hostile toward you and will afflict you for your sins seven times over. 25 And I will bring the sword on you to avenge the breaking of the covenant. When you withdraw into your cities, I will send a plague among you, and you will be given into enemy hands. 26 When I cut off your supply of bread, ten women will be able to bake your bread in one oven, and they will dole out the bread by weight. You will eat, but you will not be satisfied.

27 “‘If in spite of this you still do not listen to me but continue to be hostile toward me, 28 then in my anger I will be hostile toward you, and I myself will punish you for your sins seven times over. 29 You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters. 30 I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars and pile your dead bodies[a] on the lifeless forms of your idols, and I will abhor you. 31 I will turn your cities into ruins and lay waste your sanctuaries, and I will take no delight in the pleasing aroma of your offerings. 32 I myself will lay waste the land, so that your enemies who live there will be appalled. 33 I will scatter you among the nations and will draw out my sword and pursue you. Your land will be laid waste, and your cities will lie in ruins. 34 Then the land will enjoy its sabbath years all the time that it lies desolate and you are in the country of your enemies; then the land will rest and enjoy its sabbaths. 35 All the time that it lies desolate, the land will have the rest it did not have during the sabbaths you lived in it.

36 “‘As for those of you who are left, I will make their hearts so fearful in the lands of their enemies that the sound of a windblown leaf will put them to flight. They will run as though fleeing from the sword, and they will fall, even though no one is pursuing them. 37 They will stumble over one another as though fleeing from the sword, even though no one is pursuing them. So you will not be able to stand before your enemies. 38 You will perish among the nations; the land of your enemies will devour you. 39 Those of you who are left will waste away in the lands of their enemies because of their sins; also because of their ancestors’ sins they will waste away.

 

Jews SAY they are Jews.
But they do nothing which the Hebrew patriarchs did, back then.

They have no sacrifices, because their Temple is gone.
They do not stone adulteresses.
They don't advocate killing Gays.
They behave as Christians for the most part.

But like all atheists, they deny Christ, now.

However, Islam insists that Christ was not the messiah.
Islam says there was no crucifixion.
Islam says there was/is no son-of-God.
Islam says Jesus did not rise from death.
Islam says Jesus was a great prophet, but they do not turn the other cheek.
Islam does not "love thy enemy."
Islam does not do the Eucharist.
Islam denied the Trinity, which Rev 3:12 says would come.
Islam does not do anything Jesus, their "great prophet" said they must do.

Islam seems follow a false prophet.

 

I don't buy any of that stuff, but I do agree that Israel is a covert enemy and wants America to fall.

 

“THE INVASION HAS ALREADY TAKEN PLACE!”
Few have noticed that Israelite Christian Europe and America, the New JerUSAlem, as well as the Syrian Province of Palestine, were invaded and remain so.

Why, because just as the Pharisees of Jesus time, they view Scripture according to their own desires. “….many theologians have assumed that Jews are Israel, they first have assumed that Zionism is a movement of Israelites to the old land in fulfillment of Bible prophecy. …many theologians have assumed that the Jews” that Jesus rejected “continued to carry the tribal name of Judah.

But Jesus is the prince of the tribe of Judah, and thus the tribe of Judah itself resides in Him and in those who follow Him.

Those who staged a revolt against Him, usurped the throne…and …the name of Judah, in violation of the law, (Lev. 17:4) were cut off...”

So, in God’s eyes, “non-Christian Jews are not legally of the tribe of Judah. The only way a Jew can be re-instated into the tribe of Judah is if he quits the revolt and is grafted to Jesus, who is the trunk of the Judah Tree.

The pretenders of prophetic interpretation trample the truth of the Bible to establish their own agenda of destruction and hatred for mankind.

In the context of the captivity of the 10 tribes of Israel and not Judah, Ezekiel 38-39 speaks:
“And the Word of the Lord said unto me, “Son of man, set thy face toward GOG, the land of Magog, the CHIEF PRINCE of Meshech and Tubal and prophesy against HIM.”

This CHIEF PRINCE of Meschech is of MaGOG, Ashkenaz and Khazar who were incorporated into the Russian body politic as John Hyrcanus incorporated the archenemy of Israel, Esau-Amalek into Judah in 126 B.C. That amalgamation of Judah and Edom, as the Jewish Encyclopedia affirms, caused Edom from that date to cease being a nation. Thence Edom came to call themselves "Jews." Ask 90% of so called Jews today who they are, and they answer, “Ashkenaz”.

GOG cloaked himself in the greatness of America since the days when Karl Marx and Lincoln were in cahoots to make the second American revolution that made America the world’s first and foremost communist country.

What better position for GOG to be in than to camouflage himself in the greatness of America and from there destroy all America’s friends and continue the war against Russia, because GOG up to now can not openly antagonize Russia, but certainly can undermine Russia by his control of international terrorism.

And if you cannot see GOG in his Biblical portrait then you are either part of GOG’S active system or part of GOG”S inactive system.

GOG has seized “FORTRESS AMERICA” to blackmail all of America’s friends and potential friends as described in the 7th Protocol of the Learned Elders of Zion, “if we allow the possibility of a general rising against us, we shall respond with the guns of America.”

 

... and that was what has happened...

Israel DID lay empty and was barren.
The Jews DID suffer the Diaspora, until 1948:

Rev. 11:7 And when they, (the two candlesticks, i.e.; the House of Jacob and the House of Judah), shall have finished their testimony (in the 17th century, against their own messiah ben Joseph, and changed their written texts in the Talmud so as to remove the name of Jesus and their direct protests against him), the (seven headed) beast (of Western civilization) that (had) ascendeth out of the bottomless pit (in The Renaissance) shall make (secular) war against them, (these Jews of the diaspora), and shall overcome them (in 1942), and kill them (with gas and starvation and brutalities).

Rev. 11:8 And, (the House of Jacob and the house of Judah), their dead bodies shall lie in the street (of Nazi Paganism) of the great city (which is the tenth horn of Western Civilization), which spiritually (in its philosophical outlook) is called Sodom, (a place practicing pagan sexual license and libidinal excess, one to be destroyed by fire) and (that ancient place of Jew trust in the shadow of) Egypt, (the time of their confusion: [Isa. 30:2-3]: Egypt, the land of both their beloved Joseph and also, their slavery), where, (in their blindness of scriptural truth) also our Lord was crucified (among them in 32 AD).

Rev. 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations (of the 1260 years of the Jewish dispersion among them, the Diaspora), shall not see their dead bodies to be put in graves (but in Concentration Camps) three days (of years) and an half, (i.e.; 1942-1945), and kill them (with gas and starvation and brutalities)

Rev. 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth, (in Nazi Western Europe), shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send (supposed Christian seasonal) gifts one to another, (like the skin of Jews for lampshades, etc); because these two prophets, (the House of Jacob and the House of Judah, the two candlesticks: [Rev 11:4]), tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

Rev. 11:11 And after (the Holocaust), three and an half days (of years, 1942-1945), the Spirit of life from God entered into them, (the House of Jacob and the House of Judah: [Rev 11:4]), and they stood upon their feet (in the land Promised); and great fear fell upon them (in Islam) which saw them, (the prophecy of the Fig Tree, blooming was fulfilled: [Matt 24:32).

Rev. 11:12 And (the survivors), they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither (where all Nations can see). And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud (of history); and their enemies (especially in Palestinia) beheld them.

Rev. 11:13 And the same hour was there a great "earthquake," (i.e.; Israeli Statehood!!), and the tenth part of the city, (the Promised Land), fell (to the returning Jews), and in the "earthquake" (of their in-gathering) were slain of (muslim) men, seven thousand: and the remnant (Islamic armies) were affrighted, and (all the Judaeo-Christian world) gave glory to the God of heaven (that prophecy had been fulfilled).

 

Yes.

For Italy today Israel is the best ally ... also the one with our Army trains the most, to say all. Since when the relations between Turkey and Israel became no more fantastic [to say the least] the IDF has begun to come here for joined drills with Italian Army [and how could it be different? IAF means Italian Air Force or Israeli Air Force as well ...].

 

Israel has always taken US foreign aid and they have betrayed the US numerous times..

As for Gog and Magog... The rapture ready can't even identify the Ashkenazi...............

 

I would say Britain or Canada is. Then I would have to do a whole lot of thinking.

 

America is a valuable ally to Israel, as long as America does Israel's bidding and gives them all they desire.

as soon as America stops being Israel's lacky, we will be treated like Gaza.

 

LOL

Look up the words and see how funny this idea is:

Magog was what the first century Roman historian Josephus said were the peoples whom the Greeks called "Scythians."
They were quite a civilization that settled north of the Baltic Sea in what is now the south eastern MUSLIM European republics of the former USSR.

Meshech refers to Turkey, which was the location of the muslim caliphate, the Ottoman Empire.

Remember that the whole world saw the Ottoman Empire fall, EXACTLY at the Armageddon described in scripture, in 1919.

Rev. 16:16 And he, (who opens the sealed book: [Rev 5:5]), gathered them, (Jews, denominational Christians, and Muslims), together into a (triangular) place (the place of these three views of the Bible: Jewish, Christian, and Muslim) called in the Hebrew tongue (the triangular valley of) Armageddon.

Sir Edmund Allenby on the Battle of Megiddo, 20 September 1918

Thus on 18 September Sir Edmund Allenby - British regional Commander-in-Chief launched the Battle of Megiddo at Rafat.
This set in trail an unbroken series of victories including those at Damascus and Beirut (the latter seized by a French fleet).
It was in light of these overwhelming victories that Turkey sued for an armistice of surrender, which was duly agreed on 30 October 1918 in Mudros.
British forces subsequently took possession of Constantinople on 10 November 1918.

In the north our cavalry, traversing the Field of Armageddon, had occupied Nazareth, Afule, and Beisan, and were collecting the disorganized masses of enemy troops and transport as they arrived from the south.
All avenues of escape open to the enemy, except the fords across the Jordan between Beisan and Jisr-ed-Dameer were thus closed.

 

The Scythians attacked Syria-Palestine long before the birth of Christ... and Russia has absolutely no interest in Israel.

 

cut and paste from The Theistic Evolution Bible Translation: http://kofh2u.tripod.com/

 

The Scythians supported the Ottoman Empire in WWI, (Turkey, today), which ended when that Caliphate fell as was predicted by Ezekiel 38 and 39:

Lo, I am against thee, O Gog, (Islam), prince of Rosh, (the leader), Meshech (or Turkey), and Tubal (a section of modern-day Turkey).

2 And have turned thee back (from muslim expansion), and enticed thee (to the Battle of Megiddo at Rafat).
And caused thee to come up from the sides of the north, (where in the north, British cavalry, traversing the Field of Armageddon, had occupied Nazareth, Afule, and Beisan).
And brought thee in against mountains of Israel (at Megiddo, the ancient city in northwestern Palestine, southeast of Haifa in present-day Israel),

3 And, (on 8 September, 1917, Sir Edmund Allenby - British regional Commander-in-Chief launched the Battle of Megiddo at Rafat to), have smitten thy bow out of thy left hand, thine arrows out of thy right, I cause to fall (in a trail of an unbroken series of victories including those at Damascus and Beirut, the latter seized by a French fleet).

 

OK, a couple issues here:
The head of the Mossad states that Israeli foreign policy is a national security problem for the US. We have a good number of allies who are NOT a national security problem for us - for example (but not limited to), UK, Japan, Germany, France. You can't put Israel above staunch long term allies who are NOT a national security problem.

The IDF (Israel's military) states that Abbas is their chief partner in peace.

President Abbas has recently achieved a unification of Palestinian leadership under his presidency with Hamas deferring to his government even though they got no seats. In doing so, Hamas confirmed commitment to the permanence of the state of Israel and to a limit to nonviolent methods.

And, I'd point out that you aren't looking for peace. In fact, you are looking for a war of ethnic cleansing or maybe even genocide on the basis of religion. That's an astounding act of criminality. Do you seriously believe that Jesus is demanding that you slaughter Arab families?

 

That's not even slightly true. Israel has been a disaster for the region for many decades. Until rivaled by Iraq, there was no more disruptive force in the ME than Israel.

Let's remember that OBL effectively used the conflict between Israel and Palestine in his recruitment, drawing on the suffering, displacement and disenfranchisement of millions of people perpetrated by the hand of Israel. Let's remember that 130 nations have recognized Palestine - Israel and the US being essentially isolated on this. Even the Vatican recognizes Palestine. Let's remember that when we negotiate human rights issues with various nations, we do so under the open acknowledgement that the US supports Israel's ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. When we want to talk about good government with Egypt, Libya, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc., we do so with the baggage of the Israeli humanitarian behavior on our backs.

I agree fully that Israel COULD be our strongest ally in the region. They are a powerful military force. They are democratic (although somewhat apartheid). They have a stable economy.

However, today even the head of Mossad points out that Israeli foreign policy is a national security problem for America.

 

yeah they are their allies in helping to murder off civilians in several countries as well as the destruction of america. No surprise this thread was created.Look at who the OP has in his avatar.the CIA.

any thinking rational person who has done any research into the CIA knows they are an out of control evil organization that makes the third reich look like a bunch of choir boys.

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