Polls show majority don't want stricter gun control laws.

an Aussie using British humor to justify a personal belief. I guess Cartoonville lives in more than one place. C'mon, now, BB. really?

 

This is like telling me that there was something RIGHT about WW1 trench warfare. We've been over and over and over all of this, only to keep returning to the same stalemate. You KNOW the answers, yet you persist in mounting yet another volley.

 

And what answers are those that explain the horrific gun homicide rate in the USA? Higher population density - areas of SE Asia with much much much higher population densities without the gun homicide rate.

 

What would it matter even IF the majority wanted stricter gun laws? It's a RIGHT, whether other people like it or not. I might say something unpopular no one likes, doesn't mean I don't have the right to say it. I have First Amendment rights, I have Second Amendment rights and both matter just as much and can't just be taken away based on what OTHERS think. I find it bizarre how the left is so keen to support First Amendment rights (unless its a group that the Southern Poverty Law Center has deemed a "hate group" that commits "hate speech") no matter what but actually tout opinion pulls to support their gun grabbing when it comes to Second Amendment rights.

The War on Drugs, primarily. Look at all of the gun violence that happened in the wake of alcohol prohibition. When something begins illegal, a underground black market forms that attracts the worst of society and because they have no legit legal recourse, they use violence to solve their problems. Someone stole your drugs? You can't call the cops and take them to court, so what do you do? You take a gun and shoot and kill them and get them back.

Guns aren't the problem. If you got rid of the stupid war on drugs you'd see gun violence drop sharply.

 

Your line of reasoning makes perfect sense now! Watermelons are good because they are immune to bird flu.
And in the case of SE Asia, everyone who had any issues was killed in the genocides that covered that whole region in the not too distant past.

 

Lack of Faith in Creation's Creator, family disintegration, no respect for the sacredness of life, lack of moral influence and judgment, drugs and turf issues, influence of tv, movies and music etc.

 

And nowhere else in the world has that problem???

Australia = one of the most atheistic countries in the world = about 1/10th your homicide rate

Family disintegration - happening everywhere - According to Nationmaster you do rate high for divorce in America but then so does the UK and Denmark - both countries with a fraction of the gun homicide rate the USA has

No respect for the sacredness of life.........

Now here you might be onto something because every single day I post on this forum someone is revelling in taking life by shooting another person, whether it is to keep a gun next to the bed so they can shoot a burglar or CCW to stop a potential mass shooter they are revelling in being able to kill without consequence

 

Sorry to hear that, always wanted to visit Australia. So, using your number, Australia has about 1/14th (7% of) the population (2012) of the USA but owns an alarming, disproportionate 1/10th (10%) of the homicide rate, is Australia really that much more violent (homicidally speaking) than the USA?

May I, due to your lack of a response on other post points, assume you support/agree with these points (i.e.Lack of Faith in Creation's Creator, lack of moral influence and judgment, drugs and turf issues, influence of tv, movies and music etc.), so maybe my post wasn't all for naught?

Did you know, statistical speaking (and I loathe statistics), that 2% of a population is considered to have sociopathic tendencies. Now that doesn't mean that they are stone-murderers or indiscriminately go about harming people but these folks may not be able to empathize, a horrible event experienced by another personally, like the other 98%ers can. Maybe you're just hanging with the 2%ers? What, for example, have you read of reveling in life-taking here at PF? Do you have any clue as to the motivation behind these statements?

 

See when you let the people speak, you don't get the lies the media sells you. Here I thought Illinois and Chicago were part of the minority who didn't want guns, seems they are part of the majority.
http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=11995

Now this next part would be funny were it not true.....sheesh!

 

After reading some of the comments on here and cant believe what im reading. People want "commonsense" gun laws that will restrict the law abiding citizens ability to purchase guns, because they think this will stop people from hurting and killing people en mass, specifically with a firearm. So they would put the burden on law abiding citizens for the actions of the lesser population of people who commit crimes with guns.

Having said that, it seems that these people forget what the second amendment is all about, and thats a citizens ability to be able to engage in an armed conflict with a tyrannical gov if such a time is needed.

So becuase of the small population of people that commit the illegal acts with firearms, they want to restrict the whole populations abilityy to obtain and use the firearms we are meant to have and use against a tyrannical gov should we ever have one( thats another story all together.)

 

Actually, if you want to look at per capita rates, Australia has approx 1 per 100,000, while the US has approx 5 per 100,000.
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5

 

Best if you'd share it with BowerBird, it was her numbers that were used.

 

Somehow, I doubt she's the one that needs convincing, since you are the one that seems to believe that Aus has the higher crime rate.

 

Yes but I understand what the word "rate" means when applied to gun statistics

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Did work elsewhere

 

Not looking back, time constraints, but thought it was murder or homicide number?

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Isn't it a bit bigoted to only have issue with murders or homicides where the murderer used a firearm?

 

It is so much easier for statists to view people as numbers, that way they don't have to apply humanness. It is always so much easier for the atheist to consider people no more than numbers, so they can treat them less than people or even less than animals. Numbers have no freaking soul, yet the statists give souls to their numbers.
Sounds backward and evil..that's prolly cuz it is evil to look at people as less than people and more like an inanimate object. like a number. Socialists and communists tend to view people as statistics rather than people.
As far was what the rest of the world does, I care little for the rest of the world that would like to start a world war over our Bill of Rights. It has always been so and as long as liberals exist, it will be so, until they die off

 

Thankfully

 

No = firstly because that is not an appropriate use of the word bigoted and secondly - it is not the manner of death but the overall reduction of deaths by substituting a less lethal instrument in criminal activities such as armed robbery you get a much much lower death rate overall.

 

And, as I illustrated, our homicide number is significantly higher (even per capita) than that of Aus. So what's your point?

 

You mean like those folks who say that victims of gun homicide are too few to worry about?

 

How is bigoted inappropriate?