Polygamy (not sure where to put this)

Country: a nation with its own government, occupying a particular territory.

 

Well in all honesty I don't think there is any single polygamous country, as far as legal polygamy goes. They are all either entirely monogamous or a mixture of monogamy and polygamy. You yourself noted that even in countries that allow polygamy legally, most people are still monogamous.

That said, I'll direct you here for successful polygamy in a society, both polygyny and polyandry, although the talk focuses on the later. Monogamy is also part of the society.

There is a reason I noted that what you implied may not have been what you intended. Many time we make our statements with what we have in mind and don't realize that those statements can imply different things to others. I have had to reword some of my statements in the past because they left an implication I hadn't intended. At this point though, you'll probably just double down and claim you were super clear in what you said.

 

That's not what modern polys are doing though. There are chains, and units with off shoots, and so many combinations. When it comes to marriage, i.e. cohabitating people in intimate relationships together, polygyny might be in a majority, but not by a large lead. We also have the poly units that consist of all of one gender or the other. Mind you I am not counting FLDS and Mideast Muslims among these. Yes, with them polygyny takes a huge leap.

 

Ad hominem and untrue. Thanks for not contributing to the conversation.

 

Thanks! Now, what would you consider a "successful country" and what would you consider a "polygamous country" for the sake of the discussion..

 

Successful country, one in the top 3rd of low level of corruption, First world standard of living, and some sort of representative government.

polygamous country: where polygamous marriage is legal.

If you don't understand these simplest definitions, I doubt that you can really contribute to the conversation. I recommend you try the sports section.

 

Thanks again for the clarification! The list where polygamy is universally legal is about 50 countries. There are four where it's legal if you're Muslim. I haven't really researched too hard, but it looks like any on the list that may have a standard of living that meets your criteria are monarchies, so that won't work. Singapore is one where it's partially legal. I think that meets all of your criteria, but I'm not sure you'd be willing to consider it a "polygamous country".

That aside, there are a lot of other countries that aren't polygamous that also aren't in the top 3rd of low level corruption and don't have a first world standard of living. So, I don't see a correlation between being polygamous and not meeting your other criteria.

 

I'm curious as to why you think my idea of morality is intellectually bankrupt? Is it because I don't have an issue with polygamous relationships or because I think that society's idea of morality is a moving target?

 

So there is no contract and the children have no protection under the contract?

 

There's your problem. You don't understand what morality is to begin with. By your operating definition, the only thing Hitler did wrong was lose.

 

You're quoting me out of context. My original post was "Morality is a moving target in the case of romantic love." In the case of romantic love it's my belief that morality is relative. If you disagree then I can understand that. If you believe that romantic love should only ever be between a man and a woman then I can respect that. I don't believe that the fact that my moral compass differs from yours in this instance makes my "idea of morality intellectually bankrupt".

 

Polygamy should be discouraged because it increases the risk of birth defects.

A rare, severe birth defect is on the rise in an inbred polygamous community on the Utah-Arizona border, according to a doctor who has treated many of the children.

Source: https://trib.com/news/state-and-regional/doctor-birth-defects-increase-in-inbred-polygamy-community/article_5b306585-4989-56f6-b9d2-df93d78ab2fa.html

 

I'm not sure if I would be willing to count Singapore either. Polygamous marriages there are 0.3% of the Muslim marriages (not the total of Muslim and civil marriages). That seems pretty insignificant.

 

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!
That has got to be the worse correlation/causation fallacy I have ever seen! Come back when you have more than one community that is isolating itself to try to claim that polygamy and incest are linked. Even those against polygamy are laughing at that poor example.

 

That is pretty insignificant. I guess that at least seems to prove the point that even when available (as to the Muslim population of Singapore), they're not likely to become a very significant subset of marriage if monogamous marriage is also available.

 

Exactly what protections are you assuming a child has with parents who are legally married vs not legally married? For the sake of the question, assume the parents are cohabitating, but not legally married.

 

Here is some more information::

The Genetic Catastrophe That Has Sprung from Polygamy

https://www.exmormon.org/d6/drupal/The-Genetic-Catastrophe-That-Has-Sprung-from-Polygamy

Four Polygamous Families with Congenital Birth Defects from Fallujah, Iraq

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3037062/

 

Well polygamous marriage is unlikely to become legal in the US unless it's through Muslim lobbying.

 

You are so sad trying to double down like this. But let's go through them.

This article in and of itself is a correlation/causation fallacy. As I noted already, any isolated community, polygamist or monogamous, that takes in few outsiders, will start being incestous eventually. There is a certain minimum that a population has to maintain to prevent such. This article addresses nothing that would not be found in a closed monogamous community. Please feel free to share what ever part of that article you feel supports the idea that polygamy, in and of itself, causes or promotes incest and inbreeding.

Did you even read this? There is absolutely nothing in this article that shows that the birth defects being studied were caused or even made worse by the practice of polygamy, or more specific here polygyny. The article in fact states the causes as epigenetics due to long term exposure to contaminates. Again, if you can quote any section that actually supports your position, please do so.

So far you have done nothing to support the false idea that polygamy is somehow linked with incest and/or birth defects.

 

Do not be so sure. While the poly community is not currently trying to bring it about, it doesn't mean that we won't later. Be on the lookout for other fundamental law changes that will allow for such. And as noted before, we are not limited to FLDS and Muslims. We are in all religions and lack thereof.

 

I see it as a matter of religious and personal freedom. It baffles me how the state can make it illegal.

 

As long as you provide for your offspring the state doesn't care.. You just can't contract more than one marriage at a time. If you can and do provide for the bastards you sire, its OK with them.

 

Yes but who/whom matters. FLDS squawking about plural marriage is likely going to invite a FBI raid, but Muslims doing the same thing could get a respectful hearing. I don't think anyone cares about the other assorted nobodies who are in to this.

 

Either parent can ask the state to make either parent provide for the child.. because child support is vested in the child.

 

Muslims are obligated to obey the laws of the country where they reside.