Possible positive and negative sides to Covid 19 lockdown: changing how we live our lives

We are talking about Pandemic lockdowns. H1N1 was a pandemic.

 

Do you believe that their factual reporting is in question? If so, care to offer any evidence to that effect?

what do you believe to be a credible news source?

 

Office of the inspector general disagrees with yours and Trump’s assessment that the Obama administration did a bad job.

https://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-04-10-00020.pdf

Here’s an article on the matter.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/21/trumps-bizarre-effort-tag-obamas-swine-flu-response-disaster/?outputType=amp

 

Well, ok. stay home, don't contribute. That seems to be a trend. But what it really does is prolong the pain of this. I understand that your "feelz" is vastly more important to you than actually helping out.

 

What is going to prolong the pain is if we don’t take this seriously and rush back into business as usual. Without the bench marks I mentioned it will continue to be a problem.

You understand nothing about me and your claim that you do makes it painfully clear. Get out of here with this “feelz” nonsense.

 

Is it? And if the economy is structurally ruined as a side effect, then what? Will you cry about it then? Probably. The facts are these. We may never have a test that can fully demonstrate infection. Fact, we may never produce a fully effective vaccine, (just look at how ineffective yearly flu shots are as a bench mark) and we aren't able to answer the question about re-infectious potentials. And frankly, with what some of the data is showing in how rapidly this is mutating, we may never have an answer. Those are the facts.

Now, from a policy perspective, it makes absolutely no sense at all to kill the economy, because in doing so, we allow so many other variables to influence the future stability of our nation that the kinds of requirements you would force on the rest of us frankly do far more damage.

 

Define “Structurally Ruined”.

 

Do you know the history of the world? Use any example you want from Pre WWII Germany, to Pre WWI Russia, to Pre Revolution China. Economies artificially stifled, structurally damaged by the need to produce liquidity in an environment that couldn't produce it. And that is essentially what others on the forum, and I have been suggesting democrats are attempting now. The longer you chose to not participate, the longer the need to artificially stimulate exists to the detriment of the system. The system at some point then must compensate (if historical examples are reliable indicators of future events) for this, and liquidity is destroyed by the use of it. This isn't new, or complicated. But, I guarantee you that this is a possibility if folks give in to their fears, as you have.

 

Something no one seems to be considering is an attempt to reduce population density to reduce the future dangers of infectious disease. Cvirus is only a real threat in a relative handful of our most densely populated cities. If we could find a way to incentivize people to spread out, we may be able to avoid future shutdowns entirely.

'Teleworking' is one way that we could reduce the need for so many people to live so near eachother.

 

There's actually another case in the Dallas, Texas area about a woman who was 'sentenced' to a week of jail for this ****(and her answer moved me.) She's right that feeding children, feeding our families is intimately more important than this lockdown. We cannot starve to death due to government edicts.

I grow every worrisome about the first amendment however, soon these governors will be upset about those pesky protesters and internet posters and before you know it, we'll learn how the Chinese experience life.

 

I agree, and that really concerns me. When the gov of NY, for example, goes out of his way to daily scold in his briefings, but ignores the activities of his faithful, like De Blasio, or his brother, that actually shows me that what is really going on is the "rules for them, not us" method of running the plantation. You know, like when the slave got hung for looking at the owners daughter, but the owner thought nothing of raping the slave.... I think this notion of privilege runs deep in the democratic party members and their faithful followers.

 

Taking necessary precautions to protect myself and my loved ones is not giving into my fears.

I agree that this is all damaging to the economy. I just disagree that throwing caution to the wind and jumping back into things so soon isn’t going to make things worse.

 

An assumption that I can't remember anyone suggesting, except you. So far, only you have suggested anything like "throwing all caution to the wind". That seems to essentially self defeat your postings here.

 

It was an exaggeration. You should be familiar with them, your boy Trump is quite fond of them.

 

NPR Admits a Liberal Bias

 

I already linked an assessment of their political leanings. They lean left. I acknowledge that.

Your link doesn’t enter anything new to the conversation. It doesn’t call into question their factual reporting. Likely because it can’t.

Again, what would do you believe to be a credible news source?

 

Did Obama/Biden close travel and restrict the border with Mexico to essential traffic only?

 

Nope.
How many people did we lose to Swine Flu in the span of a year? How many have we lost to Covid19 in the span of three months? Is it nearly 4 times as many? You don’t have to check. It is.

 

There isn't a single one. I read some left and some right and figure out what the truth is.

 

i've been against them from the onset. no one washes them so they're breeding ground for all sorts of bugs...

laughing because those libs flip & flop as it suits their wants/needs, without any concern nor care for others...

 

Not like this.

No comparison, whatsoever.

That N1H1 "talking point" was destroyed months ago.

Anything else?

 

Had Obama/Biden closed the border we likely wouldn't have lost 18,000 people. They didn't do everything they could to safeguard those citizens.

 

After all, if it can 'save one life', amirite

 

In the context of our discussion, where you asked for me to cite a credible news source, what source would you accept?

 

Yep, and the last major pandemic the US faced prior to then was the 1918 Spanish Flu. It was unprecedented.
Trump has had the benefit of recent history to draw from and his response has still been catastrophic.