President Obama leaves office in 9 months, so my question...

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  1. Gorn Captain

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    to the "LIbs still blaming Bush for everything" Rightwingers/GOP Partisans...is.....

    what's the cut-off date?


    If you are CONSISTENT :) when do YOU have to "stop blaming Obama for everything"?

    2018?.....2019?....2020?.....2021?....2022?.....2023,2024,2025,2026?

    Or do you get "bonus years because Obama was so terrible"...a....double...standard?
     
  2. LibChik

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    There are certain things I will always blame Obama for:

    I'll blame him for fixing the 2008 economic crash.
    I'll blame him for finally getting America out of the illegal war action and occupation of Iraq.
    I'll blame him for killing Osama Bin Laden.
    I'll blame him for fixing the job market.
    I'll blame him for finally getting uninsured Americans or Americans with pre-existing conditions health care.
    I'll blame him for getting older children health care.
    I'll blame him for getting funding to the brain mapping initiative
    I'll blame him for passing legislation to help reduce carbon emissions
    I'll blame him for passing legislation which will help women to get treated fairly in the workforce.

    I could go on and on and on about all the things I'll continuously blame Obama for.
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I blame or give credit to Bush for everything that happened prior to 20 Jan 2009. Then everything became Obama's responsibility on that date. When the next president takes office, then it will be his or hers responsibility and blame or credit will lie with the new president as he or she make decisions on what was inherited.

    A president may be responsible for creating a situation and passing that situation on. But it is the president in power who makes decisions and takes actions or no either to improve it or make it worse, to correct it or enhance it. It was President Obama who inherited the situation in Iraq and the economy. But it was also President Obama who made decisions on what to do about them and the consequences rests totally upon his shoulders, good or bad.

    The fact is after 20 January 2009, Bush had no say, could not influence or effect anything he left on the table for President Obama. Only President Obama could do anything about them. On 20 January 2017 President Obama will pass on everything he has left on the table, the new president will have to deal with it. The new president will be the only one who can make what was passed on better or worse, solve the problems or not. President Obama will have no influence or can not do a thing about what he passes on. Only the new president can change things, enhance things, solve things or makes things worse.
     
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    I distinctly remember all the libs around here telling us not to criticize Obama until he's had at least 1 year in office. Seems to me that if you can only start criticizing a President after 1 year, you should stop criticizing the previous one at about the same time.

    Now almost 8 years later, they still bring him up for everything, and they'll keep doing so so long as they have a (D) President in the White House who needs cover for all his failings.
     
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    The way their primary is going, it's going to have to wait at least 8 years.
     
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    That would have to be 2024.
     
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    Except the ongoing wars, a brutal tax cut, and the fact that 2009 expenditures had already been legislated with Bush's signatures.
     
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    We already know you worship him and can read his scripture all day long. Don't have to brag about it.
     
  9. LibChik

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    Like most Americans...I think Obama has been a wonderful President.

    I know that bothers a lot of republicans because he's a black guy and because he cleaned up the mess of the scumbag they elected but its still a fact.

    And its very, very amusing to watch reich-wingers try to bash Obama.
     
  10. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually that list has plenty of myths on it.

    First, Obama did not fix the crash. If you want to blame presidents, blame Bush since it was his super fast action when he was president that stopped the crash. Bush bailed out the auto industry. Most people think of Obama but check out who put up a huge sum of cash first to save the auto makers. Then we have TARP. Totally Bush. And that money was paid back.
    Obama still is in Iraq,
    He killed Bin Laden but whose intelligence pointed to where Bin Laden was. Again it was the Bush system that allowed them to locate Bin Laden. Even so, Obama took a guess where Bin Laden was and got him though uncertain he was there.
    The Job market is repaired by companies and entrepreneurs. Presidents have to show some action to claim the fixed the job market. Actually it is super hard for a president to manage an economy since his task involves the workers at the whose job is to govern, not fix the economy. I give a heads up to the Federal Reserve.
    The ACA left millions out in the cold. They neither have insurance nor can they afford it. Prices for insurance shot up thanks to that law. The goal was to insure 40 million more yet the smile is on their faces over perhaps 10 million. But a lot of people who did have insurance got priced out and no longer are insured.
    I don't call a person over the age of 21 a child in the sense that makes them not an adult.
    As to the Brain mapping, no idea. This is the first I read of that.
    Reducing Carbon Dioxide actually was a Bush goal when he agreed on higher mileage standards. Trouble is, the models don't prove the earth is really warming by the efforts of man.
    You know, laws not applied are mere advice. Women could help themselves a lot by being full time workers who spend time to advance. But sure, Obama agreed to a law that came out of the congress.
     
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    Obama is not leaving office, martial law will be declared after the economy tanks, and food and water are no longer distributed. All hell will break loose and all elections frozen.
     
  12. LibChik

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    lol...I don't expect your kind to give any credit to Obama...its typical and expected.

    However, most Americans think Obama has done a great job and history will look very favorably on him...unlike the last republican moron in office.
     
  13. Gorn Captain

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    Cool....so 12:01pm January 20th, 2017......Obama stops getting the blame. Sounds fair.

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    Really? So when somebody blamed Dubya for the recession and the wars, 8 years after he left office....

    you didn't complain?

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    You forgot the "FEMA concentration camps" for "patriotic conservatives"....watch it next time!
     
  14. Robert

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    You have a bad case of mythology.

    First, most Americans don't see him as a wonderful president.

    Being black does not mean he is disliked for color. I happen to have liked a lot of blacks. Bet you think Thomas Sowell sucks big time. Bush was a very effective president. But even he fell short since he wanted to reform social security to make it there for a very long time. Notice when it comes to the budget, Obama loves spending and high taxes. Hates making live easier on the public.

    Take my profession for instance.

    I am duly licensed in CA as a RE broker. This license was good for selling property as well as doing loans for clients.

    That is all gone now. For loans only is what I mean.

    We suddenly got put out of business by Dodd Frank. Yes, the mortgage lending industry is now in the hands of the rich. They could afford the high cost to be able to stay in business.

    Appraisers lost a lot of income due to that law. The Government installed middle men. Today the appraiser is the victim of the middlemen. The home owner is not helped a bit.

    I took the course mandated and passed the Federal test. I had been guided by the NMLS site and recently I woke up to the fact that I must create a company name for NMLS purposes and pay the Feds a chunk of cash to join the club. Then I have to repeat that same action so I personally can be a mortgage broker. Well, the crash wiped me out. Not being on a salary but with expenses wore me down.

    So I know a lot of other mortgage people suffer the same fate. We have to fight like crazy just to be in the business we are good at and love. But it no longer loves us.
     
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    48 percent approval.... = most Americans ? Liberal logic lol.
     
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    Here's the deal, LC......the Right...will prove themselves hypocrites.

    For some of them, they were saying "Hey, libs...stop blaming Bush"...as early as 2010.


    Yet, they'll STILL be obsessed with Obama into the 2020s, 2030s, 2040s! For a reason you can guess quite easily. Something Clinton nor Carter nor Johnson nor Kennedy nor Truman...etc...etc...etc.....ever "did" to them.

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    That's higher than Dubya when he left.

    BTW, OY.....when did you first start saying "Libs...quit blaming Dubya. Obama has to take responsibility"? So I can see what happens in 2018, 2019, 2020......

    :)
     
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    I remember this like it was yesterday. Obama hopped outta the bird, ignoring all military advice that Osama wasn't in that compound. Obama then reverted to his training. He thought to himself "okay, I'm all alone in here, Imma kill me an Osama today".

    Obama then uses the charges, team-ing only by himself. Checks his 12, his 3, his 9, his 6, then enters.

    Moments later Obama and Osama come face to face. Obama once again reverted to years of military training and barrel-rolled across the floor while shooting his M4 (totally stock) at the known terrorist.

    The dust settles. Petty Officer and SEAL/President Obama, becomes the first half white and half black man to shoot a top 10 terrorist.

    History has been made.
     
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    Yea we know...you have that one black friend.

    Maybe you should look up Obama's approval ratings. Like I said, most Americans think highly of him and are happy with his performance. Unlike the last moron republican who illegally took office.
     
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    Credit accrues when a president is proven to have done something.

    The ACA was a waiting game for Obama. He waited for the congress to act. Remember his many false promises. I suppose to you false promises is success.

    Since you spoke of my kind, let me speak of your kind. You never did learn what presidents really can do or not do. And the shame is, there are good books on the limited power of presidents.

    I don't go by what you claim about most Americans. Sorry but I just don't see how you see yourself as their spokesperson.
     
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    Cool, but I don't see anyone claiming most people approved of bush , lawl.

    Not sure why any of it matters because hillary is going to be president and the same sheeple who think Obama was great will think hillary is great... and those same sheeple will still claim hillary is rebuilding what bush destroyed.

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    48 percent , on what planet is that most people like you claim ?
     
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    And yet with the entire might of the American military and American Intelligence Agency...GWB couldn't get anywhere near Osama Bin Laden despite his vow to do so.

    Luckily, President Obama...a man who was actually elected in to office by the American people...handled it.

    He handled everything else the previous republican moron screwed up too. But we know reich-wingers won't give the black guy any credit...its what we expect of your kind. Thanks for living up to your expectations...nicely done.

    Thank you President Obama.
     
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    Do you have a black friend?

    I really do know his approval ratings. But it is Democrats that like the snake oil salesman.

    You are so ill informed on Bush it really is useless to explain how the law worked that gave Bush the office. And he won it two times.
     
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    History doesn't exist in some type of bubble. Every President has to deal with the lasting effects of all the Presidents before him. You can't just say, "All today's troubles
    with SS can be traced to President X." Many problems are cumulative in nature. You also just can't deal out the actions of some President because 1 or 2 years go
    by.
    I know it's convenient for Republicans to pretend Bush didn't exist, or for Dems to forget Carter - but that's not reality.
     
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    Bin Laden was in a country that this government did not have rights to fly into for our purposes. Did you realize that the unlawful flight to kill Bin Laden was covert?

    Bush did not screw things up. This proves to me you simply do not understand what presidents do.

    For things Obama did not do, you credit him. For things Bush did not do, you blame him.
     
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    Bush did not win the 2000 election. He was selected into office illegally.

    And yes, I have black friends...and a black family..that's what happens when you're black. Nice try though.

    I'm not ill-informed on Bush...I simply am not an apologist for the repulsive, illegal crap he did in office..unlike your kind. GWB is directly responsible for the unnecessary killing of a lot of American soldiers and foreign nationals...and I hope he rots forever for it. He's a vile piece of trash I wouldn't qualify as a human being. He's actually is the perfect representation of his party and what they stand for.
     

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