Private Health Care, more expensive than I thought

You have a right to buy a gun. No gun store owner has ever been forced to continue to stay in business.

 

To understand where we're at (madness) we need to look backwards at what we once had. Health care was once between the doctor and the patient -- simple. The doc made a living and the patient could afford the doc's services. Then the insurance companies got involved. Later the government got involved. Then the lawyers got involved. Now we have madness. When I was born at home the doc charged $50. He was paid in cash. When I had my tonsils removed the doc charged $50 for the operation and my one night in the hospital was $25 -- all paid in cash. When my mother took me to the doc's office he charged $3, she paid him in cash. Now the insurance companies must make a profit, the government must collect funds, and the lawyers get rich suing the doctors, the insurance companies, and the hospitals. No wonder health care is so expensive and has a ton of red tape. It will just get worse.

 

And we subsidize drug prices for the rest of the world.

 

Yes they can.

 

No we don’t. Might want to check the wording on the 2nd amendment a little more closely

 

Not used to following conclusions down their logical path huh? I will repeat and dumb down my words a bit more to help you out. if healthcare is a right which it currently is not in the United States but liberals want it to be, then the logical conclusion that follows down that path is doctors do not have a right to refuse you your rights and etc etc etc for the rest of my previous post.

Fortunately healthcare is not a right, as it can be found nowhere in the Constitution or amendments. It’s just a make believe wishful thing liberals like to pretend exists because they have an insatiable desire for free stuff and hide behind false equivalencies, false moralities, and faulty logic to get there.

 

I don’t have a right to buy a gun? Really? Then how have I bought the various guns I’ve had?

 

I do NOT understand because your logic is faulty.

If you are trying to estimate an average cost per person, why are you using the cost for a family of 4? Why arent you dividing that cost for a family of four by four to get the cost per individual? That would get you close to the average cost per person.

As reported by you, the cost to insure for an individual is 7k. That is the upper end of the estimate, as looking at the family of four data and dividing by four is around 5k. Your estimate is in between those two numbers. To say 15k which is over double the single rate, makes no sense whatsoever.

 

Being able to buy a gun does not constitute having a right to it. If we all had the right to a gun then why are you buying them? You should have them for free.

by your logic since you’re able to buy a tv you therefore have a right to it.

your rights are all in the constitution. Your actual rights. Go read em

 

Odd you think having a right to something means it should be free. I in fact have a right to buy a gun. As such I am able to purchase said gun from someone who provides a service of selling guns. There is no enslavement in that process. That gun store owner can close his business anytime he wants. He can’t be forced to continue to sell guns. Just as a doctor can stop practicing medicine anytime he or she wants.

 

We have the right to buy a gun. We do not have the right to force someone to sell one to us.

 

Except its not.

 

Except if they refuse to sell then their denying you your right to bear arms.

 

No they're not. I can still bear other arms. I could create my own arms. Etc.

 

Then the same would apply to healthcare.

 

It does. You have the right to buy health care. Who said you didn't?

 

why is that odd? If you have a right to something than that can’t be denied to you unless you commit a crime or otherwise are disqualified for it. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

And no, you don’t have the right to buy a gun at least insofar as the Constitution is concerned. You are confusing a right as in a freedom granted by government with an inalienable right granted by God and recognized in the Constitution.

Rather than confuse yourself with using the same word that has different meanings like “right”, look at your “right” to buy a gun as in: You are able and free to buy certain guns because that does not alienate anyone else’s rights, because you have not committed a serious crime or otherwise disqualified you. Other guns you don’t have a right to buy under any definition of the word, as it constitutes a serious enough threat to the inalienable rights of others that it would be negligent to provide them.

Now if we are talking about healthcare, you do not have the inalienable right to healthcare. You only have it as a freedom government allows. The problem is the Left wants to make it an inalienable right in order to logically justify making it free for everyone and what people like me are saying is not only is that not the case of it being an inalienable right, going down that path logically follows extremely bad things.

 

You have a right to own a gun...more explicitly congress cannot, save for the well know due process exception deny you the right to carry a weapon of your own choosing.

 

I’m talking from the constitution. You do not have an inalienable right to healthcare. It’s not there. By “right” you are actually referring to simply a freedom granted by government, not a right granted by God. We have tons of rights granted by government both big and small. That does not mean they can’t constitutionally be taken away because they are not protected by the constitution.

and healthcare, aka the act of providing health services, is not an inalienable right and we therefore cannot force anyone to provide it to us. If it was, then government would legally be able to do exactly that: force providers to provide healthcare. Which as I and you have pointed out is extremely dangerous

 

Hi. My name is joe. What’s your name? Want to be friends? Durrrr

 

9th. and yes its a right and no you cannot force anyone to provide it to you.

 

Wrong again. Healthcare is nowhere in the 9th. Keep looking

 

Sorry, its there.

 

no, it literally isn’t. Feel free to link it or cite it.

 

Actually you are the one confusing rights. I never said anything about this right granted by “god”.